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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
We all know there are a lot of other pirates in New World, beside Yonkou crews, and Yonkou "reign" that area because they are most influential, and have strongest crews.
Now, compare Strawhats with Whitebeard pirates. Don't you think there's a lot of space to fill between their levels? Meaning there are probably quite a few pirate gangs that are weaker than Whitebeard pirates, but stronger than Strawhats.
So, I think that it's not impossible that there are individuals who are on the level of Shichibukai in those other crews.
Frankly, reducing entire New World to 4 strong pirate crews would destroy a lot of plot potential.
Last edited by Razh; February 14, 2009 at 01:25 PM.
And about GT, Toriyama was never even ON the staff of GT, because GT was Toei's project, it was like a 62 episode filler arc. Also, Toriyama has said that he likes GT very much and sometimes wishes that he had come up with it. (I find that Toriyama's desires for Dragon Ball became rather questionable after the Cell Games...) And as far as I know, Oda and Toriyama have only ever had one interview with each other, in the first Color Walk. I happen to own the licensed (and therefore translated) release of that Color Walk, not to mention having seen the translated interview on the Internet. And NOWHERE in it did either Oda or Toriyama even MENTION Dragonball GT. You are spreading false information, and citing a source that doesn't even discuss the topic you're bringing it as evidence about, let alone say what you say it does.
And there is no sense in bringing examples from Dragon Ball in this argument, because Oda and Toriyama plan their stories in EXTREMELY different ways. Toriyama came up with the story the week he drew it. He never really knew in advance what would happen. He may have had some general ideas, but alot of concrete details and sometimes even the basic plot were spur-of-the-moment ideas. He didn't have Frieza in mind when he started the series. I doubt he even had Krillin in mind until after the first Dragon Ball hunt. That's how Toriyama worked as an author.
Oda, on the other hand, mapped out the entire plot of One Piece during the year between Romance Dawn version 1 running in Akamaru Jump and One Piece beginning serialization. Some details have been switched around, and some things have been added or tweaked, but that's only the detailed stuff, the basic plot is the same as it was 11.5 years ago when the series started. In other words, Oda already has every arc planned out. He has all of the major characters, such as all 11 members of the final Straw Hat crew planned out (that's including Luffy). He had all 7 Shichibukai planned out from the beginning, and he has all 4 Yonko worked out. And once he's said that they're the strongest, that's it. That means that he has built his story around the premise that the Yonko are the four most powerful pirates in the world. And because Oda has already planned out the entire story, that fact cannot be changed later, because it would result in the story that he mapped out needing MASSIVE changes, and there's no sense in reworking the already written story so majorly.
i agree with there will be more strong pirate or non pirate like mugiwara and supernova or even stronger but yonkou/admiral/other is still the top..and someday, mugiwara or supernova or the silver medalist or the unknown pirate or else will beat/fight one another and even the yonkou to become the greatest..the pirate king/other..
but still until that day come, yonkou is still the greatest pirate alive, dragon still the worst criminal, admiral still the marine ultimate force, mihawk still the world greatest swordsman, garp still the marine hero, secret is secret, one piece still one piece and Gold Roger still the Pirate King..
sorry 4 bad english...
sorry 4 wrong info imitorar.. but the only source i can find right now about akira supervise DBGT is at wikipedia.. its true that in the interview they doesnt mention DBGT but akira did say he doesnt like DBGT in other occasion.. but i still cannot find the source coz i read that long time ago..so i'm sorry 4 the wrong information..but im not the one bring up the dragonball name in this forum.. jus carried away..hahaha.. i luv one piece and Dragonball..
Last edited by hisoga; February 14, 2009 at 10:30 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Your guess is as good as mine, unless your name is Oda.
we still haven't seen a lot of Pirate Hunters
We had seem some. Either the Shichibukai also do pirate hunting, remember when Crocodile appeared in Arabasta to defeated a pirate and said "I am here only for that pirate head" (refering he wasn't trying to help people).
Actually, Toriyama does had something to do with GT. He doesn't supervisioned it, but he created various concepts and the base (very base) of the storyline.
There was another image, with chibi Goku, growth Pan and Trunks with Toriyama style, but I couldn't find.
Currently, I don't see Oda creating anyone stronger than the Yonkou and Shichibukai. They are like the bosses of the OP world so...unless Oda significantly lengthens the storyline or the Eleven Supernovas evolve and become so much stronger that they can surpass the Shichibukai.
We know almost nothing about the New World. But I bet there aren't a lot of pirates crews who are weaker than Supernovas.
One thing I just noticed, when WB asks Ace to join, he doesn't appear to have scars or be on life support. Since Ace only left home 3 years ago, he got messed up like that recently, not by Roger as I had thought. Could his opponent still be alive?
Whitebeard says "this scar aches each time I see your face" or something like that. Was he talking about that scar in his chest? Well, the only relateds to Shanks I can think are: Roger (which was already dead 3 years ago) and Rayleigh.
( I think the life support is because of his age).
We're talking about New World here, which is ruled by pirates, and only the strongest of them can make it there. Remeber how many pirate crews SH met in the first half of Grand Line? So how many other, stronger crews should be in the New World? Why is it so hard to survive there?
I can't be that naive to think that SH will have only Yonkou and other Supernovas to worry aboutm one they get to the New World.
After all, that marine officer which was reporting to Sengoku did mention that some other crews have started moving as well. By other, I don't think he meant other Yonkou crews. Otherwise he wouldn't call them just "other crews".
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/489/16/or, or to see their wanted poster.
One more thing is: I thing WB wont come and fight, because he cant. Something is wrong with this war. Either he gets confronted by BB with Kumas help what i dont believe, or he has a more serious illness, than drinking, since a few years what we may not know. Because of that he is maybe too weak for war.
Last edited by Superman; February 16, 2009 at 02:21 PM.
please forgive me for not reading every single post thoroughly, but has someone mentioned the "silver medallists" already? it would fit both the thread title AND Imitorars remark that WB is exempt, because those guys "only" lost to him and/or Roger...
that should give Oda more than enough free room to show us powerful pirates
+ an idea that just occured to me: with WB's fall WG could get cocky enough to send Marines openly into the New World *looksatsmokerhinaandsoon*
ah, I see hisoga did already - nvm
Last edited by Akainu; February 16, 2009 at 04:37 PM.
Well I think Oda's been doing a good job showing that the Yonkou's are in a league of their own when one was considered the equal of the previous pirate king and an other is the one who inspired the future pirate king to become pirate and an other seems to have owned a shichi completely.
Shichibukai, well they are still one of the three world powers so they are far from your average pirate and I found them all impressive. And BB & WB are even considered to be Yonkou lvl but they are (a lot of) pirates that could be stronger or easely rival the other Shichibukais. Like Moria said himself Probably those silver medalists that Akainu mentioned. So Oda has enough playground to add strong opponents if he wants to keep on going. Didn't he said he would be a jump boy for life if possible?
Dragon, I doubt it. It's freaking Luffy & Ace dad & Garp son we're talking about. World most wanted man. He reeks of epicness that only people like WB & Roger compare to.
Last edited by mugiwara84; February 16, 2009 at 07:21 PM.