Naruto's Scroll: Similar version of the 4th's

[The Flash]

I have a (1)question for all of you.

We all know naruto was about to summon his other bunshins from Myobokuzan Mountain, but due to the quick presence of Pain - naruto passed his scroll to fukasaku to do it for him.

Now the question is, If naruto is going to summon his other bunshins next time. (1)Do the KB have to be in myobukzan mountain? Or can it be in any location?

Give me your thoughts about this:
It looks like that scroll is a self-summoning scroll - hehe reminds of the 4th hokage. Except naruto can summon his kagebunshin or vice versa.

I was thinking of a scenario - where naruto uses a kage bunshin to scout a place. So as the KB scouts a certain place and then needs the original naruto for assistance; The KB can then simply summon naruto himself. I found that was pretty cool

SO technically naruto has his own version of minato's technique. Sure it may not be as advanced as Minato's Hiraishin, but The fact that naruto can technically be "invincible" for a short time is cool. Your thoughts? (Invincible as in, the KB that is scouting the place, can summon the many thousand of KB's that is hiding and waiting to be summoned. etc)

p.s - mods.. dont put this thread in the Jutsu threads. This is entirely a difference topic.

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Another Note:
I was reading people's post of why naruto needs to summon his kb's.. if he can simply dispell it himself.

Ok to answer your question. the answer is simple.

The Kb's dont know what is going on until it gets dispelled. The Kb can dispell itself, or the orginal user can do it as well. (If you need proof of this, i'll be happy to show it to you. So in the meanwhile take my word for it).

Also the Kb's is in a "nature-gathering" state, It is simply one with nature and cannot be disturbed. SO in conclusion, naruto has to summon his KB's, and dispell it to get the sage chakra.

On the other hand, i think distance plays a factor, maybe it will take a while for the chakra transfer due to long distance. But that's simply a minor issue. If it requires naruto to summon his KB's then dispell it - then so be it.

[Googlez_kun]

the clones don't have to be at myobokuzan!it was just randomly,because they were leaving this place,so he summond them there...

[Raizen]

That is actually really interesting. I never would have connected it to minato's hiraishin but now that i read this ther is a possibility.

have naruto use 10 clones and surround the enemy. each of them uses summoning in a sequence and naruto appears at all 10 location instantaneously and attack hahaha

And I don't think he has to be at myobukazan as google said, he can be anywhere undisturbed gathering energy.

ps @ google, i love ur signature, hilarious stuff

[Googlez_kun]

That is actually really interesting. I never would have connected it to minato's hiraishin but now that i read this ther is a possibility.

have naruto use 10 clones and surround the enemy. each of them uses summoning in a sequence and naruto appears at all 10 location instantaneously and attack hahaha

And I don't think he has to be at myobukazan as google said, he can be anywhere undisturbed gathering energy.

ps @ google, i love ur signature, hilarious stuff

hmmm...the thing is,if naruto learns hiraishin or something similiar he would be just TOO strong.He would be near te level of The Great Chuck Norris
though it could really be possible and he could use it against madara....

p.s.:thank you!made by myself

[kkck]

I think the current method for entering HM is rather inefficient and to some extent dangerous. While with this method naruto doesnt have to stay put to gather natural energy he still has to find an opening to be able to stop, open the scroll and then final summon the clone. While it doesnt seem as much, had naruto been on his own during the current fight, he might have had serious trouble doing that had fukasaku been there. What naruto should aim to do is being able to summon his clones like he would de with any other frog, or better yet find a way to keep them with him at all time.

[Raizen]

I think the current method for entering HM is rather inefficient and to some extent dangerous. While with this method naruto doesnt have to stay put to gather natural energy he still has to find an opening to be able to stop, open the scroll and then final summon the clone. While it doesnt seem as much, had naruto been on his own during the current fight, he might have had serious trouble doing that had fukasaku been there. What naruto should aim to do is being able to summon his clones like he would de with any other frog, or better yet find a way to keep them with him at all time.

That is where Kbs come in. As naruto has stated, when fighting anruto, the army can be from 1 to 1000s. He could simply have a clone stand somewhere and using summoning if he ever needs it. And even w/o SM, naruto has displayed great powers to beat enemies, like frog katas

[Forever_Melody]

Well every technique has its flaws >.> Naruto's new strategy is more efficient than staying put to gather natural energy that's for certain.

IMO, Naruto has developed a very good method to fufill his needs. As Fukasaku stated, he found "something that works for him" which is what the whole thing is about

As for the method itself, perhaps Naruto will learn to refine it with time. For example, perhaps he will discretely pop a KB at the start of each battle just in case.

Now...one thing that bothers is me why Naruto couldn't cancel the KB from Myoubokuzan without summoning them first Does KB cancelling have a range?

[Darkelve]

Well every technique has its flaws >.> Naruto's new strategy is more efficient than staying put to gather natural energy that's for certain.

IMO, Naruto has developed a very good method to fufill his needs. As Fukasaku stated, he found "something that works for him" which is what the whole thing is about

As for the method itself, perhaps Naruto will learn to refine it with time. For example, perhaps he will discretely pop a KB at the start of each battle just in case.

Now...one thing that bothers is me why Naruto couldn't cancel the KB from Myoubokuzan without summoning them first Does KB cancelling have a range?

Hi, I think probably the clone has to be close enough for the sage chakra to return to Naruto... meaning the Sage Chakra cannot travel that distance.

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Oh yeah, @The Flash: great theory

Well I don't think it can only be done from Frog Mountain... we've seen animals summoned from everywhere, weapons summoned from scrolls, even an entire technique captured in and then summoned again from a scroll. Orochimaru even summoned two Hokages.

So I guess in the Naruto universe Summons are pretty strong and a lot is possible!

I hope Naruto can learn a seal to summon a KB next to him, something like that.

[neomaster121]

the clones don't need to be at frog mountain but i think they do need to be in the same area to transfer the sage chakra as frog mt is a month away by foot too far for chakra to travel
so the clones can be anywhere collecting sage chakra but need to be close to transfer it to naruto

i too thought the technique might be a small step away from the 4ths all he needs to do is get someone to teach him seals properly kakashi or jman could have taught him the 4ths technique or how it worked n leave it to naruto, or maybe he'll just continuely improve the summoning tech of his clones

[Forever_Melody]

If Sage chakra cannot travel such a distance it might be more profitable for Naruto to hide a KB at the start of each fight nearby so he could cancel it at will during the fight. Assuming the KB would be able to hide and stay still with a battle going on nearby lol >.>

As for the technique resembling the 4th's, it does in a way, but it's not self summoning yet. It's reverse summoning, which has something to do with the mechanics of the scroll, and where the KB was as well. If the KB was somewhere else, the scroll might have to be altered to a regular summoning scroll.

[THM Nindo]

I was thinking the same thing.
IMO, we are observing what will probably become Naruto's Hiraishin.

Instead of throwing Kunais, he will be throwing clones (not literaly) and will use the Reverse Summoning jutsu to master a new version of Hiraishin with clones.

Eitherway, he will someday master Hiraishin, and he will do it using clones, that's for sure.

And people will still complain that he can't do a shit without clones... that will never change

[rafazildo]

remember that its dangerous to naruto to make a large number of clones to gather natural energy.

anything goes wrong and naruto turns into a frog statue

[Razh]

He's obviously on top of it now. But you gave me an idea.
There's also one possible reason why the clones are on Myobokuzan. Frog oil.
It takes a lot of concentration to activate sage mode, and frog oil makes it faster and easier. But it works only on Myobokuzan.

BTW, what is the meaning of that Y shaped symbol or a letter on a scroll.

[Forever_Melody]

The thing is the more KB he creates, the lesser the original's chakra pool is since KB divides your chakra equally into the clones. Therefore, the Naruto originally fighting Pain had 1/3 of Naruto's full chakra capacity while the other 2 clones had 1/3 each and used their respective parts to gather & combine natural energy to form sage chakra.

If Naruto created 10 clones, then the one fighting(and not gathering natural energy) would only have 1/10 of the chakra and perhaps not enough to use FRS or some other sage techniques.

I believe there's a reason Naruto did 2 KB(not only because he didn't feel like making more). It's IMO because he realized that with 1/3 of his chakra capacity(and in Sage Mode with Sage chakra), he can perform 2 FRS without exhausting the Sage chakra entirely.

[Razh]

No that has nothing to do with it. oil was to get naruto started with gathering nature. he is now an expert and doesnt need the oil... as the oil is now completely irrelevent to him since he can do it on his own.

Yes, thank you. I didn't start reading Naruto from the last chapter. Sure, he's an expert and doesn't need the oil.
But you can't say that oil doesn't make it easier, and possibly creates less stress from Naruto once the clone is dispelled.

Besides, I was just theorizing about it, so don't be an asshole.

please re-read the chapters if your confused or what not.

I would be thankful if you would refrain from this kind of condescending bullshit in the future.