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Translations: Bleach 595 (2)
Yeah, Kabuto owes his high total to 5's in Seal Knowledge and Intelligence, as well as 4.5's in Ninjutsu and Genjutsu. Despite this, his fighting style revolves around enhanced taijutsu. He stabs himself in the foot with that one.
Last edited by RandomShikafan; October 28, 2009 at 12:32 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Personally I think that Darui, being one of Raikage's escorts and probably a high-level Cloud jounin to boot, is a lot more skilled than Omoi and Karui which look to be at a skilled young chuunin level to me. As such, I'd expect they're probably at around the level of the average Konoha 11, or a bit above it. I would liken them to Naruto's DB3 stats, or slightly above or below it, depending on the exact time frame to which the databook applies.
Also, we really haven't seen a lick of ninjutsu from either of those two, whereas Darui and his awesome Ranton technique definitely seems to warrant the 4.5 you give him. All we really have to go on is the little scuffle Omoi and Karui had with Naruto and his friends (Well, mosty just Naruto), in which I can't really say that they outperformed him all that much in terms of taijutsu and speed.
I'll wait with putting forth my take on those two stat-wise until I have a little more information regarding how skilled they are with ninjutsu.
Not all that much... But Omio never actually got unsheath his sword. I have to assume that there's more where that came from. But don't take my stats to literal, this a ballpark guess. They're all within two points of each other. I think they're all young skilled Jounin and will be close to each other in skill. I think this is the range that they'll fall in.
They're as good as Base Naruto and Sai if you ask me, that's low Jounin level.
31.5, and that's because he was specialised, he had four 5's and 3's in everything else. And that still didn't include the Gates. That's not what we are talking about here.
Gaara was still able to match Deidara, who is punches out at 32. And these are stat predictions, I expect Sakura and Sai to be nearing 30 next databook too. Naruto and Sakura were 26, Neji 27 and Sai 27.5, by next databook they'll be at this level too.
actualy, i was giving a trie on darui and shii on my list (i have an excell file with all the stats from every databooks [it seemd that fron the 1st to the second the stats where raised in almost every characters] and i make my stats there, this way i can compare each stats individually and it gives the total number imediatly!!), and you don't need to be in the 30's to be aknowledge as a skilfull shinobi, baki only has 29.5, and he probabli is one of the strongest shinobies of suna.. and sai has 28 in total.. so far i have darui at 29,5 and shi at 28,5, but i'm still cheking them!! as for the samui team, i think that samui has also a high 20's / low 30's, but the others are around mid 20'5, average value for high chuunins (iruka and sakura - 26, shikamaru - 24, yashamaru - 22,5, erc..) also note that temari is a jounin and only has 24,5, hayate hasalso 24,5, and anko and ebisu have only 25 (but since this ones are from the 1st databook, theyr actual level probaly is higher - from the 1st databook to the 2ns iruka raide 2 points, kakashi raised 1,5 points, asuma raised 1 point, kabuto raised 2 points, this are ninjas that shouldn't had evolved since they alreaddy had reached there peak)
Anyway, Gaara is 29. Kurenai, Shizune, Baki are 29.5. That doesn't mean Gaara is anywhere near as weak as the people I just mentioned. Gaara is clearly Kage level. You won't see any of these guys in a S-rank Tier list. Zabuza is 30, Yamato is 31, these guys aren't touching him either. Gaara's stats clearly do not describe his ability.
You have to keep in mind that Omio, Karui and Samui are expected to be able to kill someone that apparantly defeated Killerbee and captured him. And they were overrating Sasuke with this. These guys are NOT mid Chuunin level. And Anko, Ebisu and Hayate aren't Jounin. They're Special Jounin, which is rank below.
With Temari, Neji and Kankuro in the third databook they needed to keep them in range Naruto statswise. And they already had stats. But in the first Databook, no Genin exceeded 21, Chuunins went from 21.5-23.5, Special Jounin were all 24-27.5 and every Jounin (and Kabuto) was at least 29+.
Now with all the former Genin getting rank this is getting screwed up but with new characters I'll hold to this measure.
Last edited by RandomShikafan; October 28, 2009 at 07:18 PM.
After looking at the previous Databook stats, I have the following predictions:
Ninjutsu DB3: 4
Ninjutsu DB4: 5
Explanation: Since DB3 he created a throwable FRS, perfected Sage Mode on a level Jiraiya never could, and took his usage of KB and summoning to an even higher level than we thought possible (clone summoning, for example).
Taijutsu DB3: 3.5
Taijutsu DB4: 5
Explanation: Since DB3 he perfected Sage Mode, learning the Frog Katas to a point where he could spar effectively with Pa Frog and fight God Pain even in base mode with Taijutsu.
His reflexes have significantly improved as well, as seen during the fight with Omoi and Karui, and catching the sword with his bare hands. And he was in base mode as well during that fight.
There's no other fair rating than a 5 here.
Genjutsu DB3: 2
Genjutsu DB4: 3.5
Explanation: His significantly improved chakra control and his ability to tap natural energy alone warrant improvement in this area.
Add the ability to channel sage chakra and kyuubi chakra to resist even the powerful chakra of Nagato when Naruto had one of those chakra rods embedded directly in him shows this as well.
Someone else stated that Naruto's shown significant improvement in negating Genjutsu from that incident, and I have to agree.
Intelligence DB3: 3
Intelligence DB4: 4
Explanation: Naruto's strategies, tactics, and tough love maturation during his fight with Pain warrant this rating all by themselves.
Strength DB3: 3.5
Strength DB4: 5
Explanation: Sage mode, enough said. And for those who say "Well, Sage mode isn't Naruto's real strength!", I say then you can't use Mangekyo Sharingan to boost Sasuke's stats. Nor could you use the Cursed Seal.
Fair is fair.
Speed DB3: 3.5
Speed DB4: 5
Explanation: Sage mode again, enough said. Plus his base mode speed and reflexes are significantly improved as well. Again, see the Omoi/Karui fight.
Stamina DB3: 5
Stamina DB4: 5
Explanation: I should hope none is required here.
Seals DB3: 1.5
Seals DB4: 1.5
Explanation: Naruto hasn't improved his seals ability in any way that we've seen. He's improved his ninjutsu significantly and his reflexes, speed, strength, stamina, et al significantly, but his fighting style isn't based on seals particularly, or knowledge of seals.
DB3 Final Score: 26
DB4 Final Score: 34
Ninjutsu DB3: 5
Ninjutsu DB4: 5
Explanation: No explanation required.
Taijutsu DB3: 3.5
Taijutsu DB4: 3.5
Explanation: Since DB3 Sasuke's taijutsu has taken a back seat to his eye techniques. There has been no improvement here that we can tell.
Genjutsu DB3: 4
Genjutsu DB4: 5
Explanation: Tsukiyomi. Enough said.
Intelligence DB3: 3.5
Intelligence DB4: 3.5
Explanation: Sasuke has done some really dumb things in fights lately like turning his back on Killer Bee after applying a Tsukiyomi or trying to take on several Kage's at the same time even with his newfound powers.
In other words, he's let his thirst for vengeance rot his mind imo. I've been disappointed by this most of all.
Strength DB3: 3.5
Strength DB4: 3.5
Explanation: Sasuke was never a physical bruiser like Naruto, for example. And quite frankly, losing the curse seal shifted that even further away from his physical traits to his eye powers.
That said, he'd already lost the curse seal during the DB3 timeframe so I see no reason to change the score.
Speed DB3: 4.5
Speed DB4: 4.5
Explanation: Sasuke's still as speedy as ever, but I think Naruto is even faster now.
Stamina DB3: 3.5
Stamina DB4: 3.5
Explanation: Sasuke was never a stamina freak.
Seals DB3: 4
Seals DB4: 4
Explanation: Sasuke's new eye powers don't require seals, so I don't see any improvement here on his part.
DB3 Final Score: 31.5
DB4 Final Score: 32.5
Sasuke's stats in the Third Databook were about after he lost the Curseseal. The Genjutsu Tsukiyomi would add to the Genjutsu stat, but Sage Mode in and of itself is jutsu. Hell, even you just consider it chakra that disqualifies it right there. Sakura has slammed her fist into the ground causing the entire area to shake unearthing rocks everywhere. But because's a jutsu, she's only given a 3 in Strength. Kakashi cannot do anything like this, but can kick someone flying in a heartbeat, 3.5.
Yeah, if Sage Mode should effect Naruto's strength, then go and rectify everyone else too.
As for chakra, I'm not sure I get where you're going with that one. Naruto's improved strength and speed come from Sage mode and the natural energy around him. Once he's in Sage mode, and he's learning how to extend it, he doesn't need to do anything else.
All of his stats are simply increased.
Sakura, on the other hand, has to channel the chakra specifically to her fists for every single attack. There's a huge difference there.
Tsukiyomi is a Genjutsu is falls under Genjutsu. Sage Mode as a whole is a Ninjutsu, it falls under Ninjutsu.