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Doesn't really matter if you're not doing series that are still running. In fact, you're helping out MH by translating inactive series like Kinikuman and Cyborg Grampa G. Don't you think that?
The problem is that nobody who scanlates your stuff posts their work here. So even if people WOULD read your releases, they can't because they don't necessarily know where to find them, unless they really look for them.
Althugh Kinnikuman would probably never attract modern shonen fans. Most hardcore Naruto and Bleach fans I can't see being able to stand it. One Piece fans MAYBE, since it also has a fair amount of comedy mixed with drama and action, but One Piece has a story, and Kinnikuman has successive wrestling matches and plot holes. Hey, I like it, but I have a thing for classic Jump and foundational shonen. But there may be a fair amount of people who might like an absurdly silly series with good fights and intriguing powers, if they had the chance to try it.
And Cyborg Grampa G (Hm, the English really kills the wordplay, the Jii-chan G-chan bit gets lost) hasn't been scanlated since chapter 7, sadly. I wish SOMEBODY would pick it up, but the group that was doing it appears latent for now. It ALMOST makes me want to read Hikaru no Go, since then I'd really be able to trace the evolution of Obata's artstyle from G-chan to Bakuman. As it is, comparing Bakuman to Cyborg Grampa G is pretty breathtaking. His style has gotten MUCH less realistic over the last 20 years.
Kinnikuman to me is more or less just as crucial to understanding modern Jump as Dragonball, Fist of the North Star and Saint Seiya. Heck, this series started in '79 and was doing action in some ways way before the others! (by comparison, Dr. Slump, where Toriyama established himself, was the very first issues in '80, which would be the tail end of '79) Yes it's full of plot holes but it established a lot of the insane concepts and influenced a lot of mangaka. (obviously Sawai but both Oda and Kishi have it as part of their mental history too) If people would ignore the age and the obvious plotholes, they could discover a gem lost to time...and merely thought by Americans as a cult fad toyline made up of little rubber men. (well cult compared to the big toys of the 80s like Transformers, G.I. Joe and such)Quote:
G-chan is the beginning of the Obata evolution in my head. Seeing how there are other realistic series that came later like HnG and DN, it felt weird seeing cartoony characters like G-chan and Gantetsu. But you could see in the cartooniness even some of what he ends up throwing in with his later works. Personally, if I could find someone who can get me the three series that can bridge the gap between this and HnG (Lamp-Lamp, Rikito Densetsu and Ayatsuri Sakon), maybe we could get a better understanding in the US of Obata's evolution from '89 to '09.Quote:
just wonder would you like other scan group pick up Cyborg Grampa G ?im not sure if scan group The Forgotten is dead because i been checking their website and it is down >_>
so im here to asking you a permission use your translation Cyborg Grampa G, that would be suck if CGG inactive
Last edited by Kajii; May 08, 2009 at 04:22 PM.
So should I wait for this person and if he/she doesn't do it I can scanlate it?
And I've never read Saint Seiya, and won't until either I have a chance to buy it all from Viz, or somebody scanlates it. But I dunno what it contributed, it just seems big enough to have contributed what general structural bits Dragon Ball didn't. I mean, I've seen people list their influences, but I've never seen Saint Seiya mentioned. I saw Oda list Dragon Ball, Kinnikuman, and Fist of the North Star, and Kishimoto the same. But no Saint Seiya. Even in terms of sales numbers, Dragon Ball is the best selling Jump series, Fist of the North Star is 7th, and Kinnikuman is 8th, but Saint Seiya is a fair bit lower. I guess it's just the general "feel" of the series, but I can't be sure unless I read it.
Then again, popular doesn't necessarily mean influential. I mean, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure was HUGE in the early 90's, and the only manga that I know of for sure that were clearly inspired by JoJo are Yu-gi-oh (I used to watch it, so I could spend quite a while pointing out the bits that were inspired by JoJo) and Shaman King, although I'm beginning to suspect that Psyren is as well. I mean, psychic powers with EXTREMELY specific uses, a "meteor" that either gives you psychic powers or kills you... It certainly seems inspired by JoJo, but until Iwashiro becomes popular enough to be interviewed and asked about his influences, I guess we can't be sure. You can tell that he's younger than Takahashi and Takei, though, because he seems influenced by Part 4 and Part 5, and Takahashi and Inoue were influenced mostly by Part 3 (which is the most iconic Part in Japan anyway).
Last edited by Imitorar; May 10, 2009 at 08:28 PM.
Imitorar: Regarding the influences of older Jump series on older ones, there are two mangaka I can immediately directly think of regarding Saint Seiya's influences on today: Kubo and Sorachi. Kubo is obvious: the Soul Society arc of Bleach is in some ways a modified rip-off of the Gold Saint arc of St. Seiya. An important female is abducted by a really powerful force with a time-limit until something happens, the main hero team heads for the HQ of this really powerful enemy and is forced to take them on one by one...until in the end, their "enemy" is revealed to be the good guys who helps them out later and some other force is in control...OK, to tell the truth that I all read on the Wiki, but you can see the parallel. As for Sorachi...well basically it's one of the few Jump series he actively read as a kid, being moreso into seinen manga like Golgo 13. (I still say that some of his style is also reminiscent of Hojo and City Hunter...but that's less him and more Sunrise doing the anime for that and Gintama) Seiya is out there even in the influence of "good looking feminine heroes facing bad guys and such" (Reborn probably has that influence too) but it just isn't as obvious.
Oh, and I don't remember Fist of the North Star on either Oda or Kishi's influence list. DB and Kinnikuman are obvious though...also remember Doraemon for Kishi too for some odd reason.
I would scanlate the rest of G-chan, but I guess a group's already doing it with your translations. Thanks, and I guess I'll start working on it tomorrow.