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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
everything is black or white, there is no grey, unless some jerk goes and tries to mix both up. evil and good are only the perceptions that one holds and what society dictates as to be acceptable and not. Naruto is the protagonist, but who's to say what he's doing is 'good'. of course for all the ramen-loving kids he's a super hero that is 'good'. it's all about perception and not the tags that get placed on them. there is in no sense a such thing as good or evil as they can be justified from different views and angles. basically it gets us asking and wondering why.
we say things are bad because we 'believe' they are or have a notion of it being the opposite to what is attributed as being 'good'.
But this is a manga, so let's get back to discussing how Naruto is going to whip Sasuke worse than an S&M party in the final showdown.
Danzou is the greatest and will appear out of nowhere and give a short, sweet, and bitter rant and kill someone with his can...or maybe the hidden eye jutsu under the bandaged eye?????? zazazazazazaza I'm falling into insanity and going back to read OP or Gantz hahaha
I would be good if a mod could move these posts to a newly created thread.
On one last note, if we define Pain evil because of his means rather than reasoning, would that make someone who is jealous evil because being jealous can or is seen as an evil act? Kishi wisely doesn't take this route of good and evil, only those opposing the main character is some way and those who are with the main character in some way. Obviously Pain is definitely an opposition to Naruto, making him a villain.
On topic: We got a nice cover this chap, only 2 spoiler pics isn't necessarily bad as the released chapter scan would be a better read as a result.
We were having a great discussion about who was good and who was evil in the manga.
That's the place to debate on question regarding character evilness.
For a start, Itachi killed his own clan. That was for the "greater good", but his did kill everyone (including old ladies, kids and babies), does that make him evil?
As for the other characters...
Is Pain truly evil? In the end, he wants peace, but to obtain it, he's killing tons of innocent.
And, of course, that's another good place to discuss if Sasuke is evil or not.
I asked the Mods to transfer the whole discussion, so join in!
Way to go genius!!!
Might as well had gone into war back then, the situation might had been handled swiftly, than getting utterly destroyed, night of the leaving dead pein here!!
Your question in particular is one of the most subjective and hardest to answer lol. Even for real life "evil people", the question is hard because in general people dont act thinking "haha I am evil" and give the good guys the james bond special. In general people act according to what they consider right at the moment and justify their decisions that way. Obviously there are true sociopaths which consider themself evil and are proud of it though but I dont think that particular extreme case is going to be discussed.
I believe that rather than pein being evil, he is massively misguided and delusional (given that he believes he is a god)
As for itachi, his particular situation is more complicated. He clearly couldnt spare a single person who was aware of the coup, so old ladies and women had to go... As for other children, we are not even sure on wether there were any more although it is highly posible. Guess itachi could have spared them if he had wanted to(although the plot would have been diferent in several aspects regarding sasuke lol)....
But this is really lets get back on topic shall we
Since tendou pein regained his abilities naruto has been disarmed. Almost every chapter afterward naruto seems to be on his ass or eating dirt.
I don't get why nagato has the other bodies, this one is the most effective!!!
Last edited by laughing@you; February 12, 2009 at 04:04 PM.