The Rasengan Mega-Convo

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This is the Rasengan Mega-Convo, where threads about the Rasengan in all its forms come together. There's a number of different topics in here from different times, but they're all on the same subject. Any old threads about the Rasengan will be merged in here after they have become unused for a while. ~ kaylee

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I am a fan of Naruto - as a character - the obvious underdog who can and will eventually succeed, not because of talent, but sheer desire.

Just recently we found out that Kakashi can generate: Rasengan. Topping the list of users at 4:

Jiraiya, Yondaime, Kakashi, and Naruto.

Kakashi himself stated that he believes Naruto will be an even greater ninja that the "Fourth" - but heres why I do not think that 'new-justu' will come any time soon:

of all the users: Naruto CANNOT, I repeat CANNOT generate Rasengan with just one hand - he STILL relies on his clone to violently spin his chakra, while his actual hand contains it.

if he is gonna do anymore training, he really should learn how to generate it and maintain it, WITHOUT the use of clones.

why? because if genius' like Kakashi and the Fourth - who have amazing chakra control CANNOT combine it with their specific elements - what can Naruto do, who stills relies on Clone to do one half (violent spinning, while Naruto himself - contains it). just some thoughts.

[jester065]

well he doesn't need another clone to do it remember... he can use both of his hands for this trainning. Only reason he uses a clone is so he can keep his defensives up while forming it.

maybe he will suprise us and do it with one hand... never know

[eni]

if he is gonna do anymore training, he really should learn how to generate it and maintain it, WITHOUT the use of clones.

hmmmm ... ok, but maybe there's a reason behind it why he still uses a clone.

Just think back how much ppl where surprised or even disappointed after they saw him using a clone again. So much tranining but no development after the timeskip? I think most of us predicted that Naruto would at least master THAT during the training.

So, I really like to think that Kishi knows why he stay with this kind of trick. Maybe the clone will become the important factor to develop the new level of rasengan - the key that nobody else besides Naruto could use to come this far? Who knows

well he doesn't need another clone to do it remember... he can use both of his hands for this trainning. Only reason he uses a clone is so he can keep his defensives up while forming it.

Have I missed something important?

[ramicollo]

I like the point your making, it carries alot of sense. However Naruto is able to generate the Rasengan with one hand as seen in the Naruto Vs Sasuke fight, were Naruto's left hand becomes numb due to the Kyuubi's chakra.Maybe the chakra doesn't spin as much as when he uses the aid of a clone.

[eni]

Naruto is able to generate the Rasengan with one hand as seen in the Naruto Vs Sasuke fight, were Naruto's left hand becomes numb due to the Kyuubi's chakra.Maybe the chakra doesn't spin as much as when he uses the aid of a clone.

Hm, I think I remember, but wasn't that more a special situation ... extreme emotions combinated with the uncontrolled Kyuubi chakra? I'm to lazy to look for it now and can't really clearly remember it so early in the students morning ... 11:25am *cough cough*

[ramicollo]

Yeah, there was a hell of a lot chakra surounding his body so it was probably easy for him to generate the rasengan. Plus like you said, it was definetely a special situation.

Here it is (chapter 232 pages 13 &14):

[eni]

Here it is (chapter 232 pages 13 &14):

Ah, so nice pics during breakfast. Thank you!

Yes, I think also that was really special. Not worth to count it for his "real" progress.
But he will made it all by himself and kick Sas'kes ass again, just wait for it

[ramicollo]

At the rate he's progressing, he'ill kick Itachis ass in no time. Sasuke, being Naruto's ultimate rival, will have to have a jutsu with equal calibre to the Rasengan. It can't be the Chidori because it is already created with his chakra nature. Maybe he might add his other nature to it aswel.

[eni]

It can't be the Chidori because it is already created with his chakra nature. Maybe he might add his other nature to it aswel.

He already showed a piece of progress during the fight with his katana. But I think there was more, he didn't show^^ ... another progress will be to summon manda as equal to narutos froggy. I can't wait for this fight

I'm so curious about the next chapters. Naruto will surpass Yondaime for sure - with a clone or not.

[jester065]

mmmm well nice point but i was talking about the sannin fight more but that will do anyway.
Only people to do Rasengan as we know with one hand are Jiraiya and the 4th. Kakishi uses 2 hands just doesn't seem to be his style at all. On chapter 167 pages 2 and 3 (could be different for some people but first 2 pages of the chapter beside the cover) it takes 2 hand for him to do it but its not every effective at all... so the clone comes into play.

On to high wind and form manipulation combing to form a new jutsu. Well thats just it 2 high lvl manipulation like this can't be something so simple as just wind form resengan. I think you would need to put into play what the most effective form for wind (don't think its a sphere). The nature i think will have a big part into what it turns out to be or creates when the 2 fuse together and once he does it this will open up unlimited doors for wind jutsu he should be able to do

[Remus]

Well in Part 1 do I dont remember Naruto using Rasengan with two hands. Just using Oodama Rasengan with 2 hands and Oodama will be a different thing I suppose.

[pjoto]

of all the users: Naruto CANNOT, I repeat CANNOT generate Rasengan with just one hand - he STILL relies on his clone to violently spin his chakra, while his actual hand contains it.

if he is gonna do anymore training, he really should learn how to generate it and maintain it, WITHOUT the use of clones.

why? because if genius' like Kakashi and the Fourth - who have amazing chakra control CANNOT combine it with their specific elements - what can Naruto do, who stills relies on Clone to do one half (violent spinning, while Naruto himself - contains it). just some thoughts.

That's right. He still uses a clone.
The Fourth was a jutsu-genious, and he couldn't combine his nature-element with this jutsu when doing the only way he knew possible, with one hand.
Naruto may be able to accomplish what the 4th couldn't, by thinking in new directions, like he did with the Kage Bunshin+Rasengan. The Bunshin may actually be the key to completing the final jutsu, and it's genious, because he is the only one to ever combine Rasengan with the use of a Bunshin. Neither the Fouth, Jiraya or Kakashi have tried it, or possibly cant because of their Chakra-flow.

[Remus]

That's right. He still uses a clone.
The Fourth was a jutsu-genious, and he couldn't combine his nature-element with this jutsu when doing the only way he knew possible, with one hand.
Naruto may be able to accomplish what the 4th couldn't, by thinking in new directions, like he did with the Kage Bunshin+Rasengan. The Bunshin may actually be the key to completing the final jutsu, and it's genious, because he is the only one to ever combine Rasengan with the use of a Bunshin. Neither the Fouth, Jiraya or Kakashi have tried it, or possibly cant because of their Chakra-flow.

Well you all forget that the Fourth died young. He never really had the time to complete his 2nd ultimate jutsu. It took him 3 years to make rasengan and he might have needed another 3 years to do it. Well we dont know when he invented this jutsu but he might have finished this first step a few months before he died.

[pjoto]

Oh, right, owned. *hides under bed*

[mars0103]

but

I am a fan of Naruto - as a character - the obvious underdog who can and will eventually succeed, not because of talent, but sheer desire.

Just recently we found out that Kakashi can generate: Rasengan. Topping the list of users at 4:

Jiraiya, Yondaime, Kakashi, and Naruto.

Kakashi himself stated that he believes Naruto will be an even greater ninja that the "Fourth" - but heres why I do not think that 'new-justu' will come any time soon:

of all the users: Naruto CANNOT, I repeat CANNOT generate Rasengan with just one hand - he STILL relies on his clone to violently spin his chakra, while his actual hand contains it.

if he is gonna do anymore training, he really should learn how to generate it and maintain it, WITHOUT the use of clones.

why? because if genius' like Kakashi and the Fourth - who have amazing chakra control CANNOT combine it with their specific elements - what can Naruto do, who stills relies on Clone to do one half (violent spinning, while Naruto himself - contains it). just some thoughts.

the clone chould be the key
naruto is a genous in lateraly thinking