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Thread: Naruto Volume 48 (Ch. 443-453) Discussion

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    Re: Naruto 449 Discussion / 450 Predictions - Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by narudiame6hok View Post
    sasuke heading for konoha haha. i think if there had been a battle between sasuke and nagato which we all found out controls life and death nagato wins cause hes not as inspirational as naruto. i dont even think he could have beaten the 6 peins and konan and he wants to go to konoha again i laugh heading towards a place full of pissed off ninjas is a death wish.
    As long as kishi writes this manga were all suposed to think sasuke is the strongest ninja. I dont like it either but bottom line is, he could defeat every other ninja because kishi wants to have sex with him. So dont cry when sasuke comes and defeats EVERY 1 yet again. Its not fair but its kishi manga so expect it
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    Re: Naruto 449 Discussion / 450 Predictions - Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Kozar927 View Post
    As long as kishi writes this manga were all suposed to think sasuke is the strongest ninja. I dont like it either but bottom line is, he could defeat every other ninja because kishi wants to have sex with him. So dont cry when sasuke comes and defeats EVERY 1 yet again. Its not fair but its kishi manga so expect it
    ....this is Sasuke-hater talking.

    Sasuke is the 2nd main guy of the manga after Naruto. He is the PRINCIPAL rival of the principal character...so it is normal for him to be in par (or almost) with Naruto.

    When Sasuke defeated Itachi and knew about his past, he gained a new Sharingan. A new MS able that made him surpass (drastically) Itachi. A MS that helped him defeat (well amost) Killer bee. And don't forget that even our nice rapper singer said that the Uchiha was the strongest opponent he ever fought...and Killer bee IS danm strong.

    When Sasuke gained his Sharingan, he was 10x stronger then Naruto. That is when Naruto mastered the Sage mode technique. When he mastered this new Jutsu, this put him in par again with his principal rival.

    Now, by knowing that Naruto could've defeat almost everyone in the village, it is normal to assume that Sasuke can do the same. He is really danm strong. Even if you don't like him, you have to admit that he is a really strong ninja, and his Sharingan his danm strong.

    So stop dissing him for nothing. This is the 2nd main character of the manga...you should'nt be surprise if he defeat everyone...because he is AS STRONG as Naruto until Naruto prove us that he is stronger.

    Geez, why can't people understand that. It's as if people want Sasuke to be as strong as Konohamaru....just read the manga.

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    Re: Naruto 449 Discussion / 450 Predictions - Part 2

    anything sasuke brings to konoha is gonna look like dog turd, compared to the damage caused by nagato. and yeh, sasuke would have lost to the six pains because he would have had no info on their capabilities.

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    Re: Naruto 449 Discussion / 450 Predictions - Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by street_san View Post
    ....this is Sasuke-hater talking.

    Sasuke is the 2nd main guy of the manga after Naruto. He is the PRINCIPAL rival of the principal character...so it is normal for him to be in par (or almost) with Naruto.

    When Sasuke defeated Itachi and knew about his past, he gained a new Sharingan. A new MS able that made him surpass (drastically) Itachi. A MS that helped him defeat (well amost) Killer bee. And don't forget that even our nice rapper singer said that the Uchiha was the strongest opponent he ever fought...and Killer bee IS danm strong.

    When Sasuke gained his Sharingan, he was 10x stronger then Naruto. That is when Naruto mastered the Sage mode technique. When he mastered this new Jutsu, this put him in par again with his principal rival.

    Now, by knowing that Naruto could've defeat almost everyone in the village, it is normal to assume that Sasuke can do the same. He is really danm strong. Even if you don't like him, you have to admit that he is a really strong ninja, and his Sharingan his danm strong.

    So stop dissing him for nothing. This is the 2nd main character of the manga...you should'nt be surprise if he defeat everyone...because he is AS STRONG as Naruto until Naruto prove us that he is stronger.

    Geez, why can't people understand that. It's as if people want Sasuke to be as strong as Konohamaru....just read the manga.
    lol you are so wrong. sauske won't surpass itachi, no anytime soon anyway, dream on ^^

    Itachi in my eyes was even stronger than pain!
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    Re: Naruto 449 Discussion / 450 Predictions - Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by street_san View Post
    ....this is Sasuke-hater talking.

    Sasuke is the 2nd main guy of the manga after Naruto. He is the PRINCIPAL rival of the principal character...so it is normal for him to be in par (or almost) with Naruto.

    When Sasuke defeated Itachi and knew about his past, he gained a new Sharingan. A new MS able that made him surpass (drastically) Itachi. A MS that helped him defeat (well amost) Killer bee. And don't forget that even our nice rapper singer said that the Uchiha was the strongest opponent he ever fought...and Killer bee IS danm strong.

    When Sasuke gained his Sharingan, he was 10x stronger then Naruto. That is when Naruto mastered the Sage mode technique. When he mastered this new Jutsu, this put him in par again with his principal rival.

    Now, by knowing that Naruto could've defeat almost everyone in the village, it is normal to assume that Sasuke can do the same. He is really danm strong. Even if you don't like him, you have to admit that he is a really strong ninja, and his Sharingan his danm strong.

    So stop dissing him for nothing. This is the 2nd main character of the manga...you should'nt be surprise if he defeat everyone...because he is AS STRONG as Naruto until Naruto prove us that he is stronger.

    Geez, why can't people understand that. It's as if people want Sasuke to be as strong as Konohamaru....just read the manga.
    i dont hate on sasuke i just dont think he could take out the whole village especially with naruto there. i dont even think naruto could take out the village cause kishi had people who didnt even see any action. i mean yea the nine tails has a limitless supply of chakra but the fourth found a way now didnt he. and who knows maybe konohamaru will be the one to knock down sasuke doubt it tho.

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    Re: Naruto 449 Discussion / 450 Predictions - Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by demons_halo View Post
    lol you are so wrong. sauske won't surpass itachi, no anytime soon anyway, dream on ^^

    Itachi in my eyes was even stronger than pain!
    ....have we read the same manga

    Itachi beeing stronger then Pain...man are you crazy. We are talking about the man having the strongest dojoutsu (well...after Madara). The Man who destroyed a village by itself...and who mastered the Rinnegan. Itachi would'nt be able to defeat Pain because his power are to strange for everyone to understand.

    People are overrating Itachi because he had more developpement in his character then most of the villain (well, kind of the same with Orochimaru). He is indeed strong, really strong, but he was defeated by Sasuke. They were in equal strength in term of genjustu, and in term of jutsu. Sasuke having now a stronger Sharingan is the argument to understand that he SUPARSS Itachi. His new Sharingan would've have overcome Itachi MS.


    Quote Originally Posted by narudiame6hok View Post
    i dont hate on sasuke i just dont think he could take out the whole village especially with naruto there. i dont even think naruto could take out the village cause kishi had people who didnt even see any action. i mean yea the nine tails has a limitless supply of chakra but the fourth found a way now didnt he. and who knows maybe konohamaru will be the one to knock down sasuke doubt it tho.
    That's why he is going with people. He is not doing this alone. He is doing this with warrior he decided personnally. Juugo is not some weak folks, neither is Suigestu. Karin might be a little weak (though we don't know her fighting skills), but she is sure an intelligent woman and a good strategy-maker. A little like Shikamaru.

    But the task won't be easy. I'm not saying that Sasuke will kill every man in Konoha in an istant...it is just that he is one of the strongest ninja in the manga...and that there is not many people in the manga that could be able to stop him (except Naruto, Sakura (maybe), and Kakashi (maybe again).
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    Re: Naruto 449 Discussion / 450 Predictions - Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by street_san View Post
    ....have we read the same manga

    Itachi beeing stronger then Pain...man are you crazy. We are talking about the man having the strongest dojoutsu (well...after Madara). The Man who destroyed a village by itself...and who mastered the Rinnegan. Itachi would'nt be able to defeat Pain because his power are to strange for everyone to understand.

    People are overrating Itachi because he had more developpement in his character then most of the villain (well, kind of the same with Orochimaru). He is indeed strong, really strong, but he was defeated by Sasuke. They were in equal strength in term of genjustu, and in term of jutsu. Sasuke having now a stronger Sharingan is the argument to understand that he SUPARSS Itachi. His new Sharingan would've have overcome Itachi MS.
    1- itachi would have burned the shit out of konoha if he wanted to so pain destroying konoha is nothing that makes him "special"

    2- itachi was a genius, he had probably more stuff to him than he showed us, A WHOLE LOT MORE. 2nd element (besides fire), his original ninjatsus, etc etc.

    3- If you ever again say that sauske was an equal to itachi, I'LL SMACK YOU REALLY HARD RIGHT BETWEEN YOUR EYES!

    4- sauskes sharingan can kiss my ass, he has his brothers powers now, he is not even using his own MS jutsus -_-

    5- pain got PAWNED by naruto. Imagine what itachi would have done to naruto if he wanted to -.-

    etc.
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    Re: Naruto 449 Discussion / 450 Predictions - Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Orochimaru-Sama View Post
    We still don't know what he gave to Orochi in that letter.
    It was from Danzo.
    It was like "Hey orochi if you wanna find me just follow the rats".
    Maybe Kishi just forgot about Sai.
    We do know what he gave him it was a file with all anbu members and ninjas from Konoha. (well of course not his root guys i think).

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    Re: Naruto 449 Discussion / 450 Predictions - Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by demons_halo View Post
    1- itachi would have burned the shit out of konoha if he wanted to so pain destroying konoha is nothing that makes him "special"
    True, I'll give it to you

    Quote Originally Posted by demons_halo View Post
    2- itachi was a genius, he had probably more stuff to him than he showed us, A WHOLE LOT MORE. 2nd element (besides fire), his original ninjatsus, etc etc.
    ....Why wouldn't Kishi showed us all the power Itachi could use before he dies. His fight with Sasuke was the last one of his life and he fought we all he got (even Madara told that). We saw all the techniques de Sharingan could've done, and we saw him using high-ranked techniques until he dies.


    Quote Originally Posted by demons_halo View Post
    3- If you ever again say that sauske was an equal to itachi, I'LL SMACK YOU REALLY HARD RIGHT BETWEEN YOUR EYES!
    Bottom line, who won and who died. Who is the winner of the fight. Itachi wasn't holding at all when he fought Sasuke. He was fighting at full strengh. Enough that Sasuke forced him to use Susano'o and others MS techniques that consume a lot of chakra and that shorten is life. You have to admit, Sasuke was at equal par with Itachi when he fought him

    Quote Originally Posted by demons_halo View Post
    4- sauskes sharingan can kiss my ass, he has his brothers powers now, he is not even using his own MS jutsus -_-
    euuh....you saw that new Sharingan he had. This is a totally new MS that we saw. A very powerful MS with some incredible great genjutsu power. Even though he use Itachi's technique....his MS is still stronger, now.

    Quote Originally Posted by demons_halo View Post
    5- pain got PAWNED by naruto. Imagine what itachi would have done to naruto if he wanted to -.-
    Pain didn't got pawned by Naruto. He got beat by Naruto. This fight was epic. Naruto had to used a lot of chakra, strategy to defeat Pain. He had to use to the max the new justsu he learned. Pain was even able to resist to the big power of the Kyuuby (6 tails). This was quite something. Even though he got beaten by Naruto, this is not a valuable argument. Naruto isn't the same one as he was when he met with Itachi the last time. He dramatically grew in maturity and strength...putting him in par with Nagato...and though in par with Itachi.

    Naruto has surpass Jiraiya, and even Itachi acknowledge Jiraiya strength and he was in par with him.
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    Re: Naruto 449 Discussion / 450 Predictions - Part 2

    Okay, I just wanna write down my own reactions to this chapter..

    First of all, what the hell just happened? In just one chapter everyone got revived, Pain died, we found out about Kakashi being proud of his father, something about two frogs talking about destined children and suddenly Sasuke is appearing again?
    Okay... the thing with those revivals.. yah well, nice thing, but OH GOT SUCH WASTED TALENT. Pain, why not revive Itachi? Sigh. And I definitely agree that Itachi was weaker than Pain. A no brainer. But Itachi was just the better character, he was in my opinion one of the best characters of the whole series, his personality was so unpredictable.. I just miss him.
    And I can't wait until next week, greeat showdown.. when Sasuke arrives at the Leaf and suddenly it's just nowhere *rofl* well, at least he now just has to kill everyone.. or what was his intention again?

    Anyway.. that was a.. quite strange and surprising chapter.
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    Re: Naruto 449 Discussion / 450 Predictions - Part 2

    @street_san

    You can´t say that Sasuke defeated Itachi because it was never a real fight, well Sasuke tried his best and he was strong we can admit that. But Itachi could have killed him when ever he wanted to do it in the fight without going that much out and using his whole Chakra.

    But it was not his goal to kill Sasuke, he knew that he is going to die no matter what happens because he was sick, well maybe if he was willing to take Sasukes eyes he could have become immortal I am not 100% sure about that whole EMS blabla.

    But he just tried to test his little brother how strong he was, force him to use all his chakra so oro would came out to get rid off him and free his brother. And then he did what he was going to do the whole time die infront of Sasuke. As you mentioned Madara just look what he said to Sasuke, Itachi was always ahead of Sasuke and was playing him like a kid he made him believe what ever he wanted just because he loved him and tried to protect him.

    So no Sasuke did never defeat Itachi!
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    Re: Naruto 449 Discussion / 450 Predictions - Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by demons_halo View Post
    1- itachi would have burned the shit out of konoha if he wanted to so pain destroying konoha is nothing that makes him "special"

    2- itachi was a genius, he had probably more stuff to him than he showed us, A WHOLE LOT MORE. 2nd element (besides fire), his original ninjatsus, etc etc.

    3- If you ever again say that sauske was an equal to itachi, I'LL SMACK YOU REALLY HARD RIGHT BETWEEN YOUR EYES!

    4- sauskes sharingan can kiss my ass, he has his brothers powers now, he is not even using his own MS jutsus -_-

    5- pain got PAWNED by naruto. Imagine what itachi would have done to naruto if he wanted to -.-

    etc.
    Wow you are being a ignorant fanboy.

    I like itachi, but his whole role in this manga was to support Sasukes char development.

    1. He could not have burned the village to the ground. He and kisame couldnlt handle all the jounin at once when they were in the village.

    2. If Itachi's skills weren't shown in the manga he didn't have them end of story.

    3. As far as the story development goes Sasuke surpassed Itachi. Its rather annoying when people compare peoples strength to a character now and another character back at the begining of the series. People develop and grow and continusously evolve. If someone lost to someone in the past I would actually put that in their favor now as they should have learned something from the battle. And most characters in this manga are all about trying to make themselves stronger and stronger.

    4. His brothers power? Its a bloodline that has stages. Itachi may have progressed sooner but than again he was the older brother. Sasuke did beat him in their fight so that is really all the arguement that anyone needs. It does appear that the longer you use your sharigan the more it kills y our endurance and your healt. (not including madara)

    5. Pain did not get pwned by naruto. And from what we have seen Naruto is by far the strongest character in the manga. We assume that madara is stronger which i'm sure he will be, but we haven't seen his true power yet. From what we have seen Naruto is much further than Sasuke or Itachi from what we have seen so far. I'm assuming that will change as we see sasukes growth in this upcoming arc. Untill we see it though its not a fact.

    I like all the characters but fanboys annoy me.


    I'm looking forward to seeing whats sasuke and kabuto can do now! I'm also really looking forward to naruto getting praise from the village for saving everyone. Thats gonna make me teary eyed lol....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golom View Post
    Wow you are being a ignorant fanboy.

    I like itachi, but his whole role in this manga was to support Sasukes char development.

    1. He could not have burned the village to the ground. He and kisame couldnlt handle all the jounin at once when they were in the village.

    2. If Itachi's skills weren't shown in the manga he didn't have them end of story.

    3. As far as the story development goes Sasuke surpassed Itachi. Its rather annoying when people compare peoples strength to a character now and another character back at the begining of the series. People develop and grow and continusously evolve. If someone lost to someone in the past I would actually put that in their favor now as they should have learned something from the battle. And most characters in this manga are all about trying to make themselves stronger and stronger.

    4. His brothers power? Its a bloodline that has stages. Itachi may have progressed sooner but than again he was the older brother. Sasuke did beat him in their fight so that is really all the arguement that anyone needs. It does appear that the longer you use your sharigan the more it kills y our endurance and your healt. (not including madara)

    5. Pain did not get pwned by naruto. And from what we have seen Naruto is by far the strongest character in the manga. We assume that madara is stronger which i'm sure he will be, but we haven't seen his true power yet. From what we have seen Naruto is much further than Sasuke or Itachi from what we have seen so far. I'm assuming that will change as we see sasukes growth in this upcoming arc. Untill we see it though its not a fact.

    I like all the characters but fanboys annoy me.


    I'm looking forward to seeing whats sasuke and kabuto can do now! I'm also really looking forward to naruto getting praise from the village for saving everyone. Thats gonna make me teary eyed lol....
    seriously dude what manga are you reading?

    Kishi wanted us to know itachi is second only to the 4th just re read all the chapters of his first appeacence cuz ur just wrong
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    Re: Naruto 449 Discussion / 450 Predictions - Part 2

    Itachi was amazing, but no way he has the versatility, stamina and chakra capacity to pull off what Pain did inside Konoha by himself. We see that Itachi's most powerful techniques took a significant toll on him. If that's the case for Pain, he sure as hell doesn't show it. After everything Nagato did inside Konoha, had he chose not to perform that massive resurrection technique, he would've lived. Pain can block and stop ANY jutsu or physical attack as casually as if it were as simple as avoiding a punch thanks to the abilities of God Realm or Hungry Ghost Realm. For something remotely close to that Itachi would have to use Susanoo, which we know takes a major toll on him.

    Pain performs massive forbidden techniques that destroy all of Konoha and render Konoha's Hokage helpless and STILL seconds later engages in a massive fight against a Sage Mode Naruto and his toad back up and still went toe to toe with and captured a 6 tail Naruto.

    I don't recall Naruto owning Pain either. The moment God Realm's powers returned he instantly took charge of the fight in convincing fashion. Imagine what he could've done if that were the case at the beginning of his fight with Naruto.

    The Naruto that Itachi could've easily defeated and the version of Naruto that fought Pain after learning of Jiraiya's death and mastered Sage Mode are 2 entirely different shinobi.

    Yea, Sasuke is no equal to Itachi and I haven't seen any signs that he is just yet even if he may become that good.

    street Itachi wasn't remotely fighting at full strength. Why are you ignoring what Madara revealed to Sasuke? Itachi purposely held back and gave Sasuke the impression that he was taking the fight serious. If he wanted Sasuke dead, he would be dead. Sasuke is by no means on Itachi's level. What appeared to be Sasuke fighting on par with Itachi was all apart of Itachi's plan. The only reason Sasuke appeared at even footing with Itachi is because Itachi allowed it.
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