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Who would win? This match-up was not played in season 1, which is a shame. My vote goes to Tachibana. I think he could take him. Tachibana is probably the most underrated character, even though he is a freaking beast.
Last edited by Fayte; April 21, 2009 at 09:58 PM.
I'm going with Tachibana. He still hasn't ever gone all out (since he was holding back against Chitose).
I really hope we get a chance to see Tachibana go all out and not have to hold back, because he's got an insane amount of potential. I think a match between the two of them would probably be incredibly close, but I give Tachibana the slight edge.
I'd have to go with Tezuka with the current known abilities and power levels.
Tezuka simply has more abilities and is overall known to be one of the strongest players thus far. We've really only seen Tachibana in a single match and he didn't do very much in it. I think with some development Tachibana has a good chance at reaching Tezuka's levels, but with what we currently know my vote has to go to Tezuka
You guys watch Tachibana make Tezuka look silly in PoT2.
Sequel = All minor characters which have a large fanbase, get a superboost in ability.
Translation? Tachibana WILL be on Tezuka's level.
Tachibana < Chitose < Tezuka.
This logic works by PoT standards.
That is like saying Tachibana < Kirihara < Fuji
Which is also wrong, because Tachibana destroyed Fuji before the nationals.
Tachibana > Chitose
Tezuka > Chitose
Just because someone wins against someone, doesn't make them better. Echizen was certainly not better than Sanada in the Kantou finals lol
It works as long as the player doesn't improve. At that certain point, even Fuji would have destroyed Tachibana.
Btw, a players talent isn't what determines who is the better player. Just look at reality. There's no doubt that Federer is more talanted than Nadal overall. However, Nadal is much more consistent, has much more willpower and always plays his best. And thats makes him the better player, with the outcome as proof.
If players like Tachibana and Sanda loses becauses they refuses to play with the best of their ability, then they lost to a better player still. Because on the court all that matters in the end is who won and who lost.
Renji lost to Inui. Renji had a very high potential, and look what happened in the Nationals.
Sanada lost to Echizen. Sanada had a very high potential, and look what happened to Tezuka.
Tachibana lost to Kirihara. Tachibana had very high potential, and look what happened to Fuji.
In an anime like this, the character with the most potential, will be the better player. Potential is not how many matches you win, but how skilled the player really can be, if played to the maximum ability level.
If Sanada didn't keep using Lightning against Tezuka when it kept going out, and used Forest sooner, he would have 6-0'd Tezuka. The only reason he didn't, was because he was stubborn, and kept trying to win using his own way, instead of the best and most effective way to win. That is potential.
Last edited by Fayte; April 12, 2009 at 08:22 PM.
Well, as an tennis player myself for more than 15 years I have to say that I agree with Neru. In reality nobody in a team competition cares if the player from the other club held back or just played bad. It simply doesnt matter. Because on the court everything matters what happens right there: your mood that day, the food you have eaten on breakfast, how much water you have consumed and will before and during the match, the surface, the weather, a little bit of luck; the list is almost endless. But one of the things that doesnt matter is the past or what might happen next day. Of course your potential matters, but if you cannot use it at its fullest and your opponent can and thus wins, he was the better player THAT day! Do you think the other team cares if I say "hey, I maybe lost today 2-6 1-6, but I could have beaten him 6-0 6-0 if I wanted" ? They wouldnt even laugh.
I too think Federer has more talent, but Nadal wins and thats why he is the better player. If you chose to bet your money on an outcome you may go by potentail.
And if Sanada would have lost because of his stubborness, Tezkua would have been the better player. And "better" just means anything, even attitude and how much you care for your teams sake. If he chose the wrong attitude because he must by all means crush Tezuka and loses because of this its his own fault and hes the worse player.
Of course thats only goes by reality... if you now say "hey, its a manga and thats why [....]" you could actually be right .
Last edited by DavenSodan; April 13, 2009 at 03:59 PM.
I don't dispute that it 'doesn't matter' that Tachibana was holding back, in terms of his match of Chitose.
What I'm arguing is that he's a better player overall, so I think he would probably win against Tezuka if he was going all out.
As long as you base ur opinion on the manga its fine with me. I just thought I clear out any misunderstandings because Neru gave the Nadal Federer example and I wasnt entierly sure if your no was going in this direction or not.
On topic: I would go with Tezuka winning the first set by using Phantom and his special serve, but overall Tachibanas Power will prevail in the following sets (if they are playing a regular match and not this best-of-one set garbage) because Tezukas arm will hurt from putting too much spin on the ball. Also Tezuka is more the calm type of player and I dont think that he would go as far as against Sanada if he doesnt compete for his team/the promise he made with Oishi etc. So if he plays for just himself he might not even use Phantom. As for Tachibana I guess that he absolutly wants to have a match with Tezuka and thus would definatly go all out.
Last edited by DavenSodan; April 14, 2009 at 06:15 AM.