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Okay...Kabaji is huge he's obviously a power player so if Tezuka could handle that raw power i think he can handle tachibana
that said for Kabaji
his raw power X 2 (from Tezuka) X2 from Kabaji's own Hyakuren
Meaning he was dealing with 4 times the spin and power of the original shot O_O
He may be able to overpower Hyakuren but only Sanada and Yukimura seem to have the tools to compete with the doors of Muga
Yeah, Kabaji with Hyakuren was amplified to a crazy degree.
But Tachibana has skill in addition to that power. He could probably specifically target overwhelming Tezuka's Hyakuren, unlike Kabaji, who was just using raw power.
Personally, I think Tachibana is on the same level as those other guys. There's a reason he was feared as one of the strongest players in Japan.
I see what you mean...but judging from what we've seen Tezuka would win the match, not a bagel or breadstick but he would edge out the victory
From what i've noticed there are two tachibanas...the conservative one..who lost to Kirihara and te Agressive one, who scrimmaged with Fuji and played Chitose
The agressive one has no patience, he screwed up with Tsubamae Gaeshi which Kirihara had managed to returned, and he got impatient at KamiKakushi and dumped it into the net
All of Tezukas opponents in the Nationals sans Chitose had dangerous fire power and he handled most of them thoroughly
Also, "Phantom" would not work on Tachibana, or any other player in my opinion. You see, without a shot as strong as Rai, Tezuka has to use about triple the force to bring the shot to go out. Which is impossible. Tezuka wouldn't be able to do that. Which is why I believe Phantom is only used against shots that are so powerful, you cannot return.
IE: Sanada's Rai, Gin's Hadoukyuus
I think Tachibana should have PHW. That would be crazy with his wild lion.
Tachibana has his own Aura, and why did Nio get to use Phantom on Fuji then? who's anything but a power player
Last edited by Atobe the king; April 23, 2009 at 04:14 PM. Reason: mispelled power XP
Somehow I believe that everything we saw at the NiouFuji match was from Fujis pov. Didnt re-read the chapters though. Niou was, for me, just a great actor who could, like really good hollywood actors, mimic every other person he wants to. Not just expression or playstyle but voice wise too. So the one and only time we wittnessed Niou using Phantom I believe that Fuji just thought that Niou could really pull it off and hit the ball out. Same with the Tezuka zone maybe. Fuji gets so irritated that he hits every ball to Niou becuase he moves the same way Tezuka does when using his Zone.
Uh, somehow, no matter how I want to understand it, it would be still a shitty match .
on topic: where has it been stated that Phantom is just good against unreturnable shots?
Niou doesn't really copy the techniques, it is just an illusion. Niou makes Fuji think he is playing against Tezuka.
"You couldn't even hold a candle to the real Tezuka" - Fuji
Remember, Niou couldn't hit a zero-shiki serve.
It is my theory. Not "unreturnable" shots, just powerful shots with a lot of spin. Using the logic of the PoT world, Tezuka shouldn't be able to use Phantom against a flat shot with hardly any power.Quote:
Last edited by Fayte; April 27, 2009 at 11:33 AM.
Niou clearly does copy techniques, he just isn't quite as good as the original. Remember when the real Yagyuu hit his Laser Beam and it was 3x faster than Niou's?
Niou can't copy someone perfectly, but he can copy their skills to an extent. He couldn't copy the Zero-Shiki serve, but he could copy Tezuka's other skills. Probably not quite on the same level as Tezuka, but that doesn't make it an illusion.
What I think they mean by illusion is that he is making it seem like he is on the same level as Tezuka, when he really isn't. That doesn't change the fact that he's copying his techniques. But Niou is no Kabaji. His copies aren't perfect, which was the whole point of that match.
The illusion part refers to the fact that Niou through various means; using their techniques, mimicking their smallest mannerisms and speech patterns, he convinces the opponent he actually is someone else or makes them see that person.
Kabaji was still clearly Kabaji, but was using Tezuka's techniques. Niou was using the techniques but going a step further in totally copying everything about him to make it seem that you were playing him.
He does actually use the moves. He is simply inferior to Tezuka, and hence was unable to hit the Zero-Shiki serve, he just didn't have the ability to do that one.
At least that's how I interpret the manga.