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Asuka and Blade are both "kinda" neutral as well, though Asuka still skews toward female readers while Blade is more male.
Everybody seems to be listing Zero Sum as josei, for no apparent reason o_O
We go with 'shounen' here at MH since this is/was (originally?) the official demographic. I wouldn't be surprised if they stepped away from this towards a gender neutral marketing, though. A quick check at Square Enix doesn't show something but I have no time to look through the webpages *scratches head* ... do you see where they hide their magazine info? >.>
*flips through GFantasy's manga list*
Oh, I see some cute series there without any scans. What a shame...
I don't know about Blade. A magazine that gave us a little trouble was Petit Comics which is listed as either shoujo or josei, depending on your source. After some research we also went with josei like MangaUpdates and in contradiction to many other (western) websites which lists is as shoujo nonetheless. Comipedia being one of them, which is weird since they're usually reliable. It's not easy and even translators don't always agree, it seems >.<
Personally, I go away with the demographics and only categorize in mature and teenie stuff for my private folders. It's much easier to maintain in the long run
itself says it's josei. It apparently was shoujo at first but got a label change :3
I... move this discussion to the Otaku Hangout <.<;;
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The other way around (furigana-less shounen) is probably right. At least, I can't think spontaneous on any shounen with straight kanji and it would be a little unlucky for the target audience regarding their reading ability. I wouldn't rule it out that a mature shounen would be printed without or with very limited furigana, though. Maybe Finestela knows a little better about this topic, I rarely check out raws.
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It's nice seeing some one else call Nana a shojo. Content isn't always a good indication of demographic. Shojo with mature content is quite common.
Yeah, Furigana test is a bit useless in a lot of cases... I mean the Degeki mags don't have furigana while Dragon Age does for their kanji, but there are some series I would NOT consider shounen in Dragon Age by any standard, while quite a few in Degeki series are pretty generic and friendly stuff
The "only" old-fashion publisher I see these days is Hakusensha, where their Shoujo/Josei/Seinen magazine are fairly clear in terms of demographics. (Well... Melody might be an exception, with blurred line between Shoujo and Josei)
And what about Yuri-hime and Comic Hi?
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Steel Ball Run doesn't count, it's just JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part 7, and JoJo is/was shonen. But Araki wanted a lighter workload, so he decided to switch to a monthly magazine. And because JoJo is too gory to be shonen by modern standards (it started in 1987), Shueisha put him in Ultra Jump instead of Monthly Jump. But the content in Steel Ball Run isn't much gorier than the content in any other Part of JoJo, so I guess that Araki hasn't changed his method at all, including his inclusion of furigana. Steel Ball Run is a shonen in a seinen magazine, basically.
And Ninku and Bastard? Bastard had always been a bit more on the sexy side, but Ninku should still fit in the current shounen genre just fine
Yet, they're both in UJ right now
Yeah, a lot of the big 80's and 90's Jump manga-ka seem to have series' going in seinen magazines, usually spin-offs of their popular Golden Age series. There's Ninku 2, Kinnikuman Nisei (okay, so it's in a porn magazine), Fist of the Blue Sky, Saint Seiya Next Dimension (which I think is in Shonen Champion, so that sort of defeats my point), Captain Tsubasa's sequels, Sakigake!! Otokojuku - Seishun yo, Taishi no Dake, etc. I guess that they're trying to target men in their 20's and 30's, because they're the ones who read the original series' as kids, and would therefore be interested in sequels. So they make them seinen more as a way of attracting readers than because of the content, I guess.
It just feels like nowadays, the "Shonen" genre is waaaay too conservative, especially for the big three. I mean people are actually complaining ToLoveRu being too ecchi, when we had DNA2 and Shadow Lady back in the days... Or that Inumaru exposes too much body parts, when PonPon-zaka Drama Club, Hentai Kamen, and various Tokuhiro Masaya gags/comedy were the main stuff on WSJ.
Those were the days long gone now... sigh...
DNA² I really loved that one.
Bastard!! ... still one of my favorites.
Though, technically, if it runs in a seinen mag, it's a seinen. Even if the main series was/is shounen. As soon as it (or parts) get moved to a seinen mag, it's to be considered as such. Bastard is a good example for a shounen that was moved to seinen and the JoJo spin-off/arc is an example on a mixed demographic series :3
It was also due to the fact that, early on, Steel Ball Run was meant to be a clean slate... It wasn't until after the move, that it's labeled as part of the JoJo series.