Tag Team!! Team 8 vs Team 10

[-Ren Boy-]

Sasuke's Chidori Nagashi would make him invulernable to the bugs, not to mention he has Ameratsu which would burn Shino and everything around him to a crisp. Sasuke's sheer speed would also help him avoid the bugs.

Naruto has the most chakra out of any character in the manga. Not to mention if he went Kyuubi, his chakra is toxic, and it would kill the bugs. His speed and strength in Sage Mode is also a huge factor, he would kill Shino rather quickly.

Lee's speed would help him dodge the bugs, much like he dodged Gaara's sand. Also if he started opening Gates, he'd be damn near invulnerable to Shino's attacks.

Also, keep in mind, that Shino's bug are more or less a part of him. I'm not sure if I'm imagining it or not, but I could of sworn that if an Aburame dies, so do his bugs.

1.Isnt Chidori Nagashi A chakra consuming attack. Meaning everytime it is used which was be continuos because the bugs keep on attacking wouldn't it start consuming chunks of Sasuke's chakra

2.Yes I forgot to edit the comment about Naruto.He would win defiently. But wouldn't the bugs just adapt to Narutos poison chakra(tailed form) and start sucking away the chakra?

3.Lee has been shown as a fast person but common. Who can dodge something when a person who moves at the speed of light (Tobi) gets caught

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I know it stops the flow. I said kill cuz I'm lazy. But Shikamaru is smart enough to have his team fight efficiently. Shino's probably the only enemy that's smart enough to fight Shikamaru.
I'm unsure as to who'll win, I say Team 10 due to Shikamaru's intelligence and ability to strategize and plan few steps ahead. But Team 8 can stop the flow of chakra and eat it up. If Hinata and Shino's bugs get Team 10, they're probably fucked, but Shikamaru's intelligence even in this case could have them stand a chance against Team 8.

If Hinata and Shino's bugs

:O I didn't know Hinata had Bugs XD

If Hinata and Shino's bugs get Team 10, they're probably fucked

Yes but Gentle fist and Bugs are both signature moves for these characters. So defiently they will be able to get team 10

[M3J]

Shikamaru, Choji, and Ino know about Gentle Fist and Shino's bugs. Shikamaru can use the information to plan how to get at Team 8. They've seen Gentle Fist and the bugs at Chuunin exam at least once. All three know what Gentle Fist and the bugs can do, so they can try to avoid being hit or being trapped by the bugs or something.
Signature moves would be used plenty of times, therefore it's not hard to find a weakness or learn about the moves.

[-Ren Boy-]

Shikamaru, Choji, and Ino know about Gentle Fist and Shino's bugs. Shikamaru can use the information to plan how to get at Team 8. They've seen Gentle Fist and the bugs at Chuunin exam at least once. All three know what Gentle Fist and the bugs can do, so they can try to avoid being hit or being trapped by the bugs or something.
Signature moves would be used plenty of times, therefore it's not hard to find a weakness or learn about the moves.

That could be the same with team 8 analysing team 10

shikamaru shadow manipulation
ino mind control
chouji expanding

(not bothered to look for the real names)

[M3J]

Tons of people know about Shikamaru's Kagemane no Jutsu but they still get trapped in it. Temari, Kayuya, Hidan, Kakuzu, etc. He can ensure Choji and Ino actually have success landing their move/s.

[THM Nindo]

I don't know, Kakazu showed us that even if you are controlled by Shikamaru, parts of you can still move around. Shino's bugs act in a similar way to Kakazu's hearts, so again, I think Shikamaru would be at a severe disadvantage.

Shika's my favorite character after Kakashi, but Shino is his worst nightmare.

As far as Ino goes, she would be their best bet to take out Shino. Shikamaru would have to capture him, and then Ino would have to possess him. But we have to remeber, it's not like Hinata and Kiba are going to be sitting around doing nothing. And Kiba also has Akaumaru with him at all times, so effectively Team 10 is outnumbered.

Now if Ino captures Shino, who's to say he wouldn't be able to break out of her jutsu? I mean shit, Sakura did it, and who's to say Ino would understand how to use Shino's bugs, or if Shino's bugs could help Shino in that situation.

I just think Team 8 is a bad match up for Team 10.

If Shino's bugs can't be stop by Ino "mind transfer" and Shikamaru "Shadow bind", then I would definitely change my idea and go with Team 8.

Shino is a beast!! Wish we could see more of him!

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Tons of people know about Shikamaru's Kagemane no Jutsu but they still get trapped in it. Temari, Kayuya, Hidan, Kakuzu, etc. He can ensure Choji and Ino actually have success landing their move/s.

Exactly, I could easily see Chouji going all fat-out to cover the sun and make a huge shadow, and then, Shikamaru could take all of them under Shadow bind.
Then, as Shino is under the Shadow bind, Ino transfer her mind into him (preventing him to command his bugs).

Then, once everyone is under their control, they can do whatever they want with them.

As easy as this.

Note : Again, if the bugs can still attack under Ino's mind control jutsu, that could change everything...

[M3J]

There could be a trick to how Shino controls his bugs though, probably with chakra or something. Ino might not know how to control the bugs. But, if they get Hinata, there could be more of a chance of winning since Ino could use Hinata's Gentle Fist to stop Shino's chakra flow, if she knows how to do it.

[-Ren Boy-]

But, if they get Hinata, there could be more of a chance of winning since Ino could use Hinata's Gentle Fist to stop Shino's chakra flow, if she knows how to do it.

That Would Make The Yamanaka Clan Beast LOL

[Osprey]

Tons of people know about Shikamaru's Kagemane no Jutsu but they still get trapped in it. Temari, Kayuya, Hidan, Kakuzu, etc. He can ensure Choji and Ino actually have success landing their move/s.

That's his greatest strength. Even though you know it's coming he will still get you since there is no way you are going to out-think him. Everyone he has gone after always ends up caught in it. That's the beauty of being able to plot something out ten moves ahead.

There are three ninja within the orginal Konoha 12 that can probably defeat Shino. They are Sasuke, Naruto, and Lee. No one else, even Neji, to me, would seem able to defeat Shino.

I think both Neji and Shikamaru would beat Shino. Shikamaru is too smart and talented not to be able to think of a way to get to Shino. If Shikamaru can handle Akatsuki, then he can handle a chuunin. And Neji is too talented to me not to be able to beat Shino. There is a reason he made jounin and Shino is still a chuunin. Honestly, I was surprised by Shino's 3rd databook stats. They were on the low end.

Remember Shino also has a great disadvantage against Shikamaru. Shino likes to stay ahead of his opponents and is famous for his trump card aka the last move his enemy didn't plan for. He won't be able to do that against someone who thinks ten moves ahead and makes 200 plans in a second.

[-Ren Boy-]

I If Shikamaru can handle Akatsuki, then he can handle a chuunin.

I Dont Believe In That. Just Because

A<B B<C Doesnt Mean A<C
Shikamaru<Hidan Hidan<Shino Doesnt Mean Shikamaru<Shino

[THM Nindo]

That's his greatest strength. Even though you know it's coming he will still get you since there is no way you are going to out-think him. Everyone he has gone after always ends up caught in it. That's the beauty of being able to plot something out ten moves ahead.



I think both Neji and Shikamaru would beat Shino. Shikamaru is too smart and talented not to be able to think of a way to get to Shino. If Shikamaru can handle Akatsuki, then he can handle a chuunin. And Neji is too talented to me not to be able to beat Shino. There is a reason he made jounin and Shino is still a chuunin. Honestly, I was surprised by Shino's 3rd databook stats. They were on the low end.

Remember Shino also has a great disadvantage against Shikamaru. Shino likes to stay ahead of his opponents and is famous for his trump card aka the last move his enemy didn't plan for. He won't be able to do that against someone who thinks ten moves ahead and makes 200 plans in a second.

You can't used the rank of someone to decide if he can win or not.
Naruto and Sasuke are still only gennin.

Nagato, technically, is not even a «Academy» level, since he never did any test.

Forget about using their rank in those kind of debates. If you want to debates, elaborate on their abilites and jutsu.

[Delbi]

1.Isnt Chidori Nagashi A chakra consuming attack. Meaning everytime it is used which was be continuos because the bugs keep on attacking wouldn't it start consuming chunks of Sasuke's chakra

2.Yes I forgot to edit the comment about Naruto.He would win defiently. But wouldn't the bugs just adapt to Narutos poison chakra(tailed form) and start sucking away the chakra?

3.Lee has been shown as a fast person but common. Who can dodge something when a person who moves at the speed of light (Tobi) gets caught
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1. Chidori Nagashi would kill the bugs when it hit them, they would be roasted by the electricity. Something that can paralyze a human, might make a bug explode lol.

2. I don't think anything but Naruto is going to adapt to the Kyuubi's chakra lol.

3. Madara wasn't moving fast, it's his Space Time Jutsu that makes him move at "the speed of light". Lee is extremely fast, he dodged Gaara's sand which seems to move much faster than Shino's bugs.

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I think both Neji and Shikamaru would beat Shino. Shikamaru is too smart and talented not to be able to think of a way to get to Shino. If Shikamaru can handle Akatsuki, then he can handle a chuunin. And Neji is too talented to me not to be able to beat Shino. There is a reason he made jounin and Shino is still a chuunin. Honestly, I was surprised by Shino's 3rd databook stats. They were on the low end.

Remember Shino also has a great disadvantage against Shikamaru. Shino likes to stay ahead of his opponents and is famous for his trump card aka the last move his enemy didn't plan for. He won't be able to do that against someone who thinks ten moves ahead and makes 200 plans in a second.

Naruto and Sasuke are still technically genin, is Neji going to beat them because he outranks them? Ranks don't mean much in this manga.

In any event, even if Shikamaru stops Shino, he can't stop his bugs, which would drain Shikamaru dry.

As far as Neji goes, if he uses his Katen to defend himself, he'd run out of chakra eventually since it's such a chakra consuming defense. Also, once he got in close with Shino, he'd have to kill him right away because Shino would plant bugs on him once he got in close.

And as far as Databook stats go, they don't take into account Kekkai Genkai's, Clan techniques like Shino's Bugs, or things like Kiba's Dog Akaumaru, or even the Kyuubi. Databook stats give us a baseline for how strong a shinobi is, but don't show us their true strength.

[THM Nindo]

Here goes my theory :

If the combat is during day : Team 10 wins.

Predicition of a battle outcome :

- Chouji expand to make a huge shadow
- Shikmaru takes all of the 3 others in his shadow
- If that not enough to stop Shino's bug, Ino take control of his mind will he's immobilized
- If that still not enough, Shikamaru makes Kiba take out Shino using the Shadow mimic jutsu. (In a real battle, he could have him kill Shino)

I think this is a very likely outcome that would have Team 10 wins in no time.

If the combat is during night : Team 8 wins.

Here's why :

The three of Team 8 have great tracking ability that wouldn't be hindered by the night:
- Hinata could see their opponent perfectly
- Kiba could smell their opponent perfectly
- Shino could use his bug to track them easily

On the other side, almost all of the other User are rendered almost useless during night :
- Shikamaru can't control Shadow if there's no shadow (only solution is to use a flash bomb or to start a fire).
- Ino's ability is almost useless if her target is not immobilized by Shikamaru first.
- Chouji is the only one who's ability are not hindered in the night, but he would still be unable to properly track his opponent in the dark.

On those condition, Team 10 would be beaten really quickly.


What do you think?

[Destined_One]

As far as Neji goes, if he uses his Katen to defend himself, he'd run out of chakra eventually since it's such a chakra consuming defense. Also, once he got in close with Shino, he'd have to kill him right away because Shino would plant bugs on him once he got in close.

And as far as Databook stats go, they don't take into account Kekkai Genkai's, Clan techniques like Shino's Bugs, or things like Kiba's Dog Akaumaru, or even the Kyuubi. Databook stats give us a baseline for how strong a shinobi is, but don't show us their true strength.

You have to remember that this would also be the case if Shino attacks over and over again... he lends his chakra to the bugs for the ability to control them... just because the bug's are attacking doesn't mean he isn't consuming chakra.. Also one advantage Neji has is he is able to see where the bugs are coming from, his insight would be a massive disadvantage for shino, he could not sneak a poison bug into Neji or even hit him, unless he knew of his blind spot... and plus Im sure Kaiten would kill those bugs that were attacking him....

However as for team 10 vs team 8

Ino's jutsu is only useful if Kagemane is successful.. which Shikamaru states during the Kakuzu fight

Choji although strong, is up against a ranged fighter in shino, a taijutsu specialist in kiba who has a partner... and Hinata who has the Byakugan (she could cover teams blind spots, and she has also shown more offensive/defensive ability than Ino)...

Shikamaru is definitely an enigma.. his intelligence makes his team have the advantage strategically, and in many ways makes up for chouji & Ino's lack of ability... but I agree & disagree with delbi... he wont be able to control the bugs if he traps Shino which is correct.. but then after thinking about it... his bugs also leave shadows when they fly, especially as a group... so he could trap them as well...

ive sorta lulled myself into a complete sense of confusion over this one... Team 8 have the greater offensive abilities... with 2 taijutsu fighters and a very strong ranged fighter... but team 10 have shika... Id say team 8 because Kiba and Hinata are less useless that Ino/Chouj

[M3J]

Ino's jutsu isn't not useful without Kagemane. Reason why they use Kagemane first is to trap the opponent so Ino doesn't miss, because if she does, she'd be wide open and defenseless for five minutes. Kagemane is to help ensure the success of Ino's jutsu and make it less risky.

[Delbi]

Here goes my theory :

If the combat is during day : Team 10 wins.

Predicition of a battle outcome :

- Chouji expand to make a huge shadow
- Shikmaru takes all of the 3 others in his shadow
- If that not enough to stop Shino's bug, Ino take control of his mind will he's immobilized
- If that still not enough, Shikamaru makes Kiba take out Shino using the Shadow mimic jutsu. (In a real battle, he could have him kill Shino)

I think this is a very likely outcome that would have Team 10 wins in no time.

If the combat is during night : Team 8 wins.

Here's why :

The three of Team 8 have great tracking ability that wouldn't be hindered by the night:
- Hinata could see their opponent perfectly
- Kiba could smell their opponent perfectly
- Shino could use his bug to track them easily

On the other side, almost all of the other User are rendered almost useless during night :
- Shikamaru can't control Shadow if there's no shadow (only solution is to use a flash bomb or to start a fire).
- Ino's ability is almost useless if her target is not immobilized by Shikamaru first.
- Chouji is the only one who's ability are not hindered in the night, but he would still be unable to properly track his opponent in the dark.

On those condition, Team 10 would be beaten really quickly.


What do you think?

Good analysis, but I think Team 8 would win in the day time as well.

For Shikamaru to trap all three of them at once would be rather difficult, he'd have to surprise them to do so, similar to how he surprised Kakazu and Hidan. And considering they are all tracking experts, it would be difficult to sneak up on them because either Kiba would smell them coming, Shino's bugs would alert him, or Hinata would see them.

And even if Shikamaru traps all of them, they all mimic his movements, so if he had Kiba attack Shino, Shino would move as well, and Kiba wouldn't be able to hit him.

There is also Akaumaru to worry about, he is basically a shinobi in his own right, especially if Kiba uses the Man Beast Clone Jutsu.

Best bet would be for Shikamaru to trap Shino and hope Ino can take over his mind. But even if she does that, does she know the mechanics of Shino's jutsu? If she doesn't, all she has is Shino's body, and all she could do is use him for Taijutsu. Mind you, her body is now defenseless and the fight is now 3 on 3 if you count Akumaru.

And, for Ino to do this jutsu, she's going to have to be not under attack. When Team 8 encountered Kakazu and Hidan, they had numbers on their side, along with Kakashi. They would be outnumbered fighting Team 8, and wouldn't have a ninjutsu specialist to fight and hold of any of their opponents.

I just think this is a bad matchup for Team 10, as good as Shikamaru is, his teammates aren't that great. Remeber, they are supposeded to be an intel gathering team, and I guess you can say they are a support type team as well since Shikamaru can bind opponents, Ino is a medic/intel ninja, and Chouji is more or less heavy duty support.