Tag Team!! Team 8 vs Team 10

[Destined_One]

Ino's jutsu isn't not useful without Kagemane. Reason why they use Kagemane first is to trap the opponent so Ino doesn't miss, because if she does, she'd be wide open and defenseless for five minutes. Kagemane is to help ensure the success of Ino's jutsu and make it less risky.

You sorta explained why her Jutsu isn't useful without Kagemane... Yes she is still able to use it but it is less effective.. the usefulness of the technique deteriorates with such a large risk.

[walkie]

1- i dont know if anyone stated that before but kagemane is probably useless agaisnt shino. you can stop shino's body but shino's every move depend on bugs. even he stops he can easly use bugs to force shika to let him go.

2- underestimating shino?? well, some people should check older episodes again...

3- whether very powerful or not byakugan gives hell of an advantage against team 10. team 10 main attack or defense lies on suprises or tactical movements. none of them are very good-speed and long range attackers. byakugan will allow no time to hide, will allow no time to back stabbing

4- remember the time when kakashi wanted team 8 while searching for sasuke. he also stated team work of team 8 is really good.

i vote for team 8 without any doubts. shika is genius but he needs other players to get through team 8

[DarkManSharingan32]

I think Team 10 takes this.
I think Shikamaru would have a good grasp that Shino is a bad matchup for any of his team... But Ino has the ability to literally walk Shino out of the fight by supressing his mind. Shino isn't very fast and he doesn't really move all that exceptionally. He could very well end up controlled by Ino after a few strategic moves by the Ino-Shika-Chou trio.

I think that will be Shikamaru's first step and the best use of Ino's powers through the entire fight.

Hinata is easily avoided and trapped by Shikamaru himself and if Chouji is near by those two can work together to set-up/trap Kiba... who isn't very bright.
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In terms of overall teamwork I really think Team 10 takes the lead, and because of that they can deal with eachothers weaknesses and come out on top in the end.

[M3J]

You sorta explained why her Jutsu isn't useful without Kagemane... Yes she is still able to use it but it is less effective.. the usefulness of the technique deteriorates with such a large risk.

the point of me saying that was to say that Ino's jutsu isn't useless, like someone stated, without Kagemane. And Kagemane isn't necessarily needed; remember when Ino trapped Sakura before doing her Mind Change Jutsu on her in the Chuunin exam?

[Franckie]

Tons of people know about Shikamaru's Kagemane no Jutsu but they still get trapped in it. Temari, Kayuya, Hidan, Kakuzu, etc. He can ensure Choji and Ino actually have success landing their move/s.

Shikimaru is going to have to deal with at least 5 targets simultaneously: Hinata, Kiba, Akamaru, Shino, and bugs. There's a limit to what Shika can do because Team 8 is going to zoom in on him since they know Team 10 is harmless without him.

[M3J]

ino and Choji can do some damage too. We haven't seen them as much; they shone a bit in the first part, but haven't had as much attention in the second other than fighting against Akatsuki.

[ninjabot]

I give the win to Team 8. I agree with the popular belief that Ino is fodder in this fight and that she'll never get the chance to connect with Shintenshin. Against Sakura the fight was one on one, so there was no one to take advantage of her motionless body. If she were to try it against one of Team 8, she'd get bum rushed by the others.

Shikamaru can capture multiple people, but not Shino's bugs (I think someone brought this up once already) and has no way of knowing which Shino is the real Shino (he's pulled mushi bunshin off successfully every time). Stealth and trickery is Shino's strongpoint, and he's pretty intelligent too.

Speaking of stealth, Shikamaru won't be able to pull what he did against Tayuya (running around long enough to think up a plan) because of Hinata's Byakugan and Kiba's sense of smell. I say Hinata could take Chouji, as they're both close-range fighters, and when he makes his body larger it makes his tenketsu larger most likely (and easier to hit). Though she doesn't seem to have the drive to run head on against such a larger enemy (unless Naruto was watching the fight, lol).

Heck, Kiba could speed blitze Chouji into submission, double teaming him with Akamaru.

[RandomShikafan]

I have to ask, why exactly can't Shikamaru capture bugs? They have chakra, they have shadows. He can't control them, but he stop them just fine. Since they go in swarms, once the tendril reaches them Shino needs to disperse as quickly as possible to save as many as he can. That will greatly hinder most his techniues. And Shikamaru has captured 8 Chuunin level ninja by himself iin the pas and he is far better now. But in any event, Shikamaru doesn't need to capture any bugs. He only needs to capture Shino, who directs the bugs. And if the bugs act up after he's caught, Ino can just Soul transfer jutsu to Shino and that'll ruin the bugs. Without Shino, the bugs follow the queen, unless Shino manages to get the queen on Shikamaru, he's at a disavantage.

Kiba is actually the high roller here, he's by far and wide the fastest character in this battle (he's got a4.5 while Shino is second at a measily 3) and so far Akamaru is identical. Even if Chouji pops open the pills he can stop them both from interfering with the rest of it. But Shikamaru is smart, this is an open area which means Chouji can focus on trampling bugs, he should spent as little time standing still as he can.

Shikamaru has an advantage in this battle too, Hinata, Kiba and Akamaru are hand to hand combat enemies and this is an open area. No place to sneak up on him, as long as he has Ino watching for foes behind him (Ino should be glued to Shikamaru if she knows what's good for her) And sad to say, whatever stats have to say, Shikamaru has the highest actual speed feats we know off PTS. He can avoid an attempted speedblitz from Kakuzu when the man attacks from his blind spot and can dodge Hidan's scyte, put blood on it, put blood on himself, fast enough that Hidan thinks he actually hit him. These guys have been playing tag with kakashi and Asuma for the rest of their screentime.

So I don't see Hinata especially touching Shikamaru without getting caught in his shadow first. It would different with Lee, Shadows won't stop a flying kick but Hinata doesn't actually charge at an opponent. Nor does she have the cheer stoppingpower to stop Chouji when he's rolling.

So like I said unless Shino actually outsmarts Shikamaru, which I can't just assume, Kiba is the deciding factor in this battle. Team 10 should be given due props for how they manage to avoid Kakuzu's attacks but Kiba and Akamaru Shikamaru's just going to have weather.

It depends if Kiba is baited into going straight for a speedblitz against Shikamaru, which given his attidute is entirely possible, using howling Fang then maybe Chouji and bump into the uncoordinated tornado and stop it long enough for Shikamaru to Shadow Possession him. Shino and Hinata's fighting styles cripple themselves immensely in this scenerio. They don't do physical harm to the body so Ino can just possess Kiba and go for it then return. After that Chouji just needs to trample bugs with Boulder Jutsu and have Shikamaru hunt them down like he did Hidan. Not much trouble.

IF Kiba targets Chouji first, he'll win. By himself. Kiba is a beast, and once he's rolling neither Shadow possession nor Soul transfer jutsu can stop him from ruining the remaining twos asses in a head on assault.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

On one side we have the Team that embodies the reasons why most readers think the Konoha 9 are weak fodders(Team 8), and on the other side we have the only Team of the Konoha 9 who have done something and proving their worth in Part 2(Team 10). I will go with Team 10.

[SuperSaiyaMan]

On one side we have the Team that embodies the reasons why most readers think the Konoha 9 are weak fodders(Team 8), and on the other side we have the only Team of the Konoha 9 who have done something and proving their worth in Part 2(Team 10). I will go with Team 10.

...weak fodders?

Shino trapped Madara for a second.

Hinata nearly hit God Pain and forced him back with her taijutsu

Kiba has the quickest attacks as well as the best teamwork with Akamaru.

On Team 10 we have Ino, whose more useless than Sakura was in Part 1. Choji won't be able to hit Kiba, Hinata, or Shino and will eventually be drained. And then Shikamaru will be fighting alone against someone just as smart (Shino).

[RandomShikafan]

...weak fodders?

Shino trapped Madara for a second.

Yeah, no.

Hinata nearly hit God Pain and forced him back with her taijutsu

Lol no

Kiba has the quickest attacks as well as the best teamwork with Akamaru.

...no

On Team 10 we have Ino, whose more useless than Sakura was in Part 1. Choji won't be able to hit Kiba, Hinata, or Shino and will eventually be drained. And then Shikamaru will be fighting alone against someone just as smart (Shino).

Hahahahah, NO.

[SuperSaiyaMan]

Yeah, no.

Madara was trapped by the Insect sphere momentarily, don't you recall?

Lol no

So the fact that Pain only avoided it was because Naruto saw it doesn't mean anything to you? Nor that Hinata was actually forcing God Pain back?

...no

Kiba and Akamaru have showen the quickest fighting moves and best taijutsu (aside from Hinata) of anyone in this six way battle.

Hahahahah, NO.

Yeah, use a real arguement besides 'no'. Ino is the most useless teammate of anyone in this six way battle. Choji is a lumbering brute who could be drained of all his chakra very quickly by Shino or has his arms and legs shut down by Hinata. Kiba and Akamaru would then fight Shikamaru, and use their superior speed and taijutsu to beat him.

[RandomShikafan]

Madara was trapped by the Insect sphere momentarily, don't you recall?


So the fact that Pain only avoided it was because Naruto saw it doesn't mean anything to you? Nor that Hinata was actually forcing God Pain back?


Kiba and Akamaru have showen the quickest fighting moves and best taijutsu (aside from Hinata) of anyone in this six way battle.



Yeah, use a real arguement besides 'no'. Ino is the most useless teammate of anyone in this six way battle. Choji is a lumbering brute who could be drained of all his chakra very quickly by Shino or has his arms and legs shut down by Hinata. Kiba and Akamaru would then fight Shikamaru, and use their superior speed and taijutsu to beat him.

Madara was never trapped, he had used Time/space jutsu to dodge almost everything in that battle, the only reason he didn't do it right away is because he didn't feel like it.

Pain saw reinforcements coming, drew back, then destroyed her as soon as she made another move. Don't make it more then it is.

Relating to Kiba, you were replying to a post stating why Team 8 isn't example of Konoha 12 being fodder. Saying that Kiba has the fastest attacks in that context, well puts him ahead of Lee.

And Shino being as smart as Shikamaru? What?

[SuperSaiyaMan]

Madara was never trapped, he had used Time/space jutsu to dodge almost everything in that battle, the only reason he didn't do it right away is because he didn't feel like it.

Wrong. Shino caught him off guard with the sphere.

Pain saw reinforcements coming, drew back, then destroyed her as soon as she made another move. Don't make it more then it is.

Wrong. Hinata was coming at Pain's blindspot, and would have hit if Naruto didn't notice her. Pain didn't see ANY reinforcements at all.

And then Hinata really forced him back to use the Twin Lion Fist. He was shown dodging her attacks.

And Shino being as smart as Shikamaru? What?

Shino and Shikamaru have shown the same level of intelligence and analytical thinking throughout all of Naruto.

[RandomShikafan]

Wrong. Shino caught him off guard with the sphere.

Wrong. Hinata was coming at Pain's blindspot, and would have hit if Naruto didn't notice her. Pain didn't see ANY reinforcements at all.

we SAW him looking back at her.

And then Hinata really forced him back to use the Twin Lion Fist. He was shown dodging her attacks.

We saw him drawing back, Hinata used Twin Lion Fist the next panel, but Pain cut her off. She didn't touch him, and it wasn't close.

Shino and Shikamaru have shown the same level of intelligence and analytical thinking throughout all of Naruto.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/107/14/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/183/06/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/187/17/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/324/17/

When has shino's intellect ever been made such big deal out of as Shikamaru's?