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View Poll Results: Which former 9th Squad Captain Takes it?

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Thread: Vizard Kensei vs Vizard Tousen

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    Vizard Kensei vs Vizard Tousen

    Battle of the former 9th Squad Captains


    Its payback time!

    Location: FKT
    Starting state: Shikai
    Restrictions: bankai/resureccion

    Added graphic ~ WD
    Last edited by Waking_Dreamer; May 18, 2011 at 12:36 AM.

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    Re: Vizard Kensei vs Vizard Tousen

    I'd say Tousen, I doubt he's inferior to Kensei to any significant degree, so his HSR gets him the win.

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    Re: Vizard Kensei vs Vizard Tousen

    Quote Originally Posted by Takahashi View Post
    I'd say Tousen, I doubt he's inferior to Kensei to any significant degree, so his HSR gets him the win.
    Im confused...why did you vote Kensei then? lol

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    Re: Vizard Kensei vs Vizard Tousen

    Quote Originally Posted by Broken_Wing View Post
    Im confused...why did you vote Kensei then? lol
    Because I'm an idiot. I could have sworn it said Tousen when I clicked it XP

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    Re: Vizard Kensei vs Vizard Tousen

    If Kensei is restricted to Shikai, Tousen stomps imo. He has HSR and ridiculous power/speed - I wouldn't expect Vizard Kensei to destroy KTM in the manner of Vizard Tousen.

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    Re: Vizard Kensei vs Vizard Tousen

    Well I always considered Kensei as the most physically strong of the vizards.

    With his energy shooting/exploding shikai army knife and his wind-based wire cutters for range, along with his mask boost for speed/strength/durability....I dont think he would be overpowered by Mask Tousen.

    Damage to the brain of Tousen would still end him and perhaps to the vitals in his torso as well. Against HSR you either need a high-damaging attack to a critcal area or a constant barrage of damage before regeneration kicks in. Mask Kensei has shown to be capable of a barrage of swift/powerful punches.
    Last edited by Broken_Wing; May 16, 2011 at 03:38 PM.

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    Re: Vizard Kensei vs Vizard Tousen

    Kensei. His exploding knife will make HSR a non-factor. Anyone who gets stabbed by that thing is screwed really, hence why I don't buy it was WW who off-paneled him.

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    Re: Vizard Kensei vs Vizard Tousen

    Hollowfied Tousen with some difficulty. After all, with the Vaizards (group) having a century to master their hollow abilities, its a real shame none of them showcased something as beneficial as HSR.

    That and Kensei was never exactly known for his speed..something that Hollowfied Tousen has more than enough of. Tousen takes this one, in my opinion. A better matchup would be Tousen against Wonderweiss, no?

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    Re: Vizard Kensei vs Vizard Tousen

    Kensei's raw power is probably higher then Tousen's (speculation), but the real problem is Tousen's HSR.

    However, his HSR feats aren't that great either, regenerating this, which is inferior to some other HSR characters (Ulquiorra, Hichigo, Wonderweiss, Nnoitra).
    So his HSR will heal normal wounds (slashes/broken bones) but it wont heal a limb that has been cut off or organs.

    So I'd say that Tousen would lose an arm after this attack(like it did to Ichigo), if it hits him in the first place of course

    Shikai Kensei's strength is also rather good, this is another good example

    Featwise, Tousen should win this, logical powerscaling is in the favour of Kensei (Veteran captain level character/hollow mask mastery (longer then Tousen)/looks like the second strongest vizard after Shinji)

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    Re: Vizard Kensei vs Vizard Tousen

    Kensei's power shouldn't be any greater than the strength of Koma's bankai. And Tosen got ripped by that thing yet still was alright. Tosen got this in the bag. I even think he's stronger than Shinji, just not as hax. But Tosen has HSR, plus speed beyond any vizard IMO.
    Last edited by cloudo; May 18, 2011 at 04:42 PM.

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    Re: Vizard Kensei vs Vizard Tousen

    Quote Originally Posted by cloudo View Post
    Kensei's power shouldn't be any greater than the strength of Koma's bankai.
    Based on what?
    And don't forget that Komamura never hit Tousen with his sword, or do you think that a blunt attack has more effect then a slash?

    Shikai Kensei was able to blast Hollow Ichigo's arm off, why wouldn't this happen to Tousen? (whose durability feats are bad)


    Quote Originally Posted by cloudo View Post
    And Tosen got ripped by that thing yet still was alright. Tosen got this in the bag. I even think he's stronger than Shinji, just not as hax. But Tosen has HSR, plus speed beyond any vizard IMO.
    He wasn't alright, and like I said he got hit once by Kokujo Tengen Myo'o and it wasn't even the blade.

    See my above post, his HSR isn't that impressive.

    He failed to blitz Hisagi

    And why does he have higher speed in the first place?
    His speed in SS was never impressive, nor was his speed in FKT, logical powerscaling puts the Vizard captains above him.

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    Re: Vizard Kensei vs Vizard Tousen

    This is close, very close. I could see it going either way, but I personally believe Kensei will have the advantage because of his shikai. Tosen showed some great skills in cqc, but agianst Kensei that might be too perilous of a chance to risk.

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    Re: Vizard Kensei vs Vizard Tousen

    Quote Originally Posted by Kugo Ginjo View Post
    Based on what?
    And don't forget that Komamura never hit Tousen with his sword, or do you think that a blunt attack has more effect then a slash?

    Shikai Kensei was able to blast Hollow Ichigo's arm off, why wouldn't this happen to Tousen? (whose durability feats are bad)



    He wasn't alright, and like I said he got hit once by Kokujo Tengen Myo'o and it wasn't even the blade.

    See my above post, his HSR isn't that impressive.

    He failed to blitz Hisagi

    And why does he have higher speed in the first place?
    His speed in SS was never impressive, nor was his speed in FKT, logical powerscaling puts the Vizard captains above him.
    HSR regeneration is better by 100% than none at all. He didn't blitz hisagi because he was fighting 2 people and on top of it hisagi took an extra step back, it says so on the very page you linked to. Thats not a 'failure to blitz' anyone. Tosen's durability feats are bad? lol- OK, so being punched by arguably the strongest bankai attack power (bar Yama and unseen bankais) yet still being mobile is bad durability? What manga are you reading? The vizards weren't enhanced by the hoguyoku purposely, Tosen's power was. If you really think he was slow you need to go back and re-read.

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    Re: Vizard Kensei vs Vizard Tousen

    Quote Originally Posted by cloudo View Post
    HSR regeneration is better by 100% than none at all.
    Sure it is, except that it wont save him when he loses a limb.


    Quote Originally Posted by cloudo View Post
    He didn't blitz hisagi because he was fighting 2 people
    Lmao.

    Both Hisagi and Komamura were standing there, they were not fighting anyone, Tousen charges at Hisagi and fails to bring him down.

    Quote Originally Posted by cloudo View Post
    and on top of it hisagi took an extra step back, it says so on the very page you linked to.
    That's Hisagi's fighting style, Tousen's goal was to bring down Hisagi but he failed since Hisagi dodged it by half a step, meaning that Tousen didn't completely blitz him.


    Quote Originally Posted by cloudo View Post
    Tosen's durability feats are bad?
    Show me a good durability feat.

    If you bring up Kokujo Tengen Myo'o, then give me a good feat for it's firepower.

    Quote Originally Posted by cloudo View Post
    yet still being mobile is bad durability?
    Yes it is, since he never showed any good durability.

    That's clearly an endurance feat and not an impressive one on top of that, he barely did anything after he got attacked except jumping in the air and regenerating his arm.

    Quote Originally Posted by cloudo View Post
    What manga are you reading?
    I'm not sure.... Bleach maybe?

    Quote Originally Posted by cloudo View Post
    The vizards weren't enhanced by the hoguyoku purposely, Tosen's power was. If you really think he was slow you need to go back and re-read.
    Cool story, in what way does that make Tousen stronger then the vizards?

    Show me his good speed feats.

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    Re: Vizard Kensei vs Vizard Tousen

    I don't really see why Tousen wouldn't be able to regenerate lost limbs. His HSR quite easily fixed an absolutely disgusting "broken in every possible place" arm. I doubt it'd be limited to that just because we saw nothing further.

    At any rate, the limb lopping explosion might prove to be an effective method, but that's under the assumption that he connects with it. You could just as easily say a knife to the head is a solution, it all depends on whether Tousen will leave himself as open as Hollow Ichigo did.

    Since I doubt neither Tousen or Kensei are a large degree better than the other, HSR could easily be the tie breaker.

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