New One Piece Episodes to be Streamed One Hour After Airing

[goldb]

I didn't know where else to post this but here it is:
It's an article about an agreement between all of OP's distribution companies including FUNimation about a simulcast broadcasting episodes 1 hour after they air in Japan with english subtitles.

Although this is all good, it only benefits those watching from US; as there's no mention about any other country except US and Canada. Well maybe we'll all get to benefit somehow

[Imitorar]

Yes, FUNimation will begin streaming from the Sabaody arc and on. They're also beginning to put the episodes that they've released on DVD's up on the site, both subbed and dubbed. However, it's only for the U.S. and Canada. That is NOT FUNimation's fault. It's Toei's. Apparently, when a Japanese company lets a U.S. company stream shows, they limit it to the U.S. and Canada. So while the U.S. companies would LIKE to stream worldwide, their hands are legally tied. Hopefully, something could be worked out, but until then, it seems that you foreigners are gonna have to keep on fansubbing.

This is a humongous blow against fansubs, by the way. I mean, if episodes are coming out subtitled one hour after airing in Japan, then is it really worth it for Americans and Canadians to bother? I actually find this ironic, because One Piece actually helped break what was once a law amongst scanlators: you drop a series when it's licensed. Null ignored that rule because it foresaw One Piece falling ludicrously behind the Japanese release, and thought that fans shouldn't have to wait for 4 or 5 years to get new material. And nowadays, even a series that's being put up for reading online by the licensors is being scanlated (Kyokai no Rin-ne, for those who don't know). And now it's One Piece that's getting streamed and is being used to test the waters for licensors to get past fansubs. I know that it's not the only series, but it's still one of them. And to think that One Piece was once used in a serious legal paper to justify fansubbing if official releases were abysmal (back in the 4Kids days).

In other news, Viz is planning to begin serializing the most recent chapters of the manga in American Shonen Jump next fall. I assume that they mean from Impel Down, but I don't know how they're going to deal with the gap. I mean, perhaps between July and October or November they'll release... 30 One Piece volumes or so like they did for Naruto and catch up, but to release 10 volumes a month is simply absurd. Perhaps they'll just skip, but they'll summarize everything between Jaya and Amazon Lily, but that's a COLOSSAL information dump. And if they did that, they'd be serializing chapters that wouldn't get put into volumes for YEARS. Even if they started releasing One Piece at three volumes per month, like they did when they were pushing Naruto ahead, it would take them between a year and a year and a half to catch up.

So the Impel Down chapters that they start serializing around November 2009 wouldn't be put in volumes until around February 2011 or so. But after that, around May 2011 or so, we'd hopefully be only a volume or two behind Japan, and volumes would come out once every two or three months. Every three months would be acceptable if it was necessary so as to avoid catching up to Japan. I mean really, JAPAN has to wait three months, so I think we could too. Every three months at one year behind Japan (or maybe even TWO MONTHS behind Japan, like Naruto, so we'd get each volume only 3-6 months after Japan does) is better than every four months at 33 volumes behind Japan. Either way, I need a way to get enough money to buy all the One Piece manga coming out in the next year...

Which brings me to my final point: Americans and Canadians, Viz is going out on a HUGE limb for us here. One Piece is their third most popular manga that isn't almost done or too short to push like this, and they are giving us just what we want: the ability to read the most recent chapters. SO BUY THE MANGA. It doesn't MATTER that you can't stand the fact that they use "Zolo" now. I don't CARE if they translate Devil Fruits with 4Kids terms. Whatever reasons they have for this don't matter. SHOWING VIZ THAT ONE PIECE HAS FANS THAT ARE WILLING TO MAKE CATCHING UP TO JAPAN WORTH THEIR WHILE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THAT. Just ignore that "l". Use a pen and change it into an "r" if it makes you happy, it's just a semicircle. But PLEASE, don't waste the chance Viz is giving us because of nitpicks against their translation. PLEASE be able to see the forest, not just the trees. There are larger things at stake here than a few translation issues. This could be a major turning point for manga and anime in America, and certainly for the One Piece franchise.

[Imitorar]

Don't worry about the fansubs. For one thing, Kaizoku isn't going to stop because of this, I'm sure of it. They're about 144 episodes behind, but still, it's better than nothing. Also, Kubu Subs, which does the new episodes, intends to keep going because most of the group is from Europe, and they realize that Europeans still need fansubs. So unless Kubu Subs gets a Cease and Desist notice and actually obeys it (hey, they may not), you're fine. Besides, I honesty doubt that FUNimation will send a C&D notice out to a European group. They know that they can't make their stream available to Europe and Asia, so I don't think that they'll stop you guys from fansubbing, since you don't have any other choice. Really, there's nothing to worry about.

[marte1980]

Don't worry about the fansubs. For one thing, Kaizoku isn't going to stop because of this, I'm sure of it. They're about 144 episodes behind, but still, it's better than nothing. Also, Kubu Subs, which does the new episodes, intends to keep going because most of the group is from Europe, and they realize that Europeans still need fansubs. So unless Kubu Subs gets a Cease and Desist notice and actually obeys it (hey, they may not), you're fine. Besides, I honesty doubt that FUNimation will send a C&D notice out to a European group. They know that they can't make their stream available to Europe and Asia, so I don't think that they'll stop you guys from fansubbing, since you don't have any other choice. Really, there's nothing to worry about.

Are you kidding? Why should they care if the group is european or not? The files released are downloadable from everywhere around the world! I'd give it an 80% probability that they'll get a C&D notice. Look, this news is only bad news!

[Imitorar]

Because they're understanding of what Toei is forcing them to do? It's not like FUNimation is limiting the streams to the U.S. and Canada on purpose, it's Toei's fault. So they won't take action, unless they don't get enough views from Americans on their streams. THEN they'll need to take action against fansubs. But as long as enough Americans actually watch the streams (which shouldn't be a problem, judging from Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood), they won't need to stop fansubs, since they'll know that Americans who can are watching the stream, and Europeans and Asians who can't watch it anyway are downloading the fansubs.

FUNimation has had the One Piece license for over 2 years now. They've never made a move against anyone. I don't think that Viz has tried to eradicate the Naruto fansubs either, except for perhaps the major ones. That's because as long as the streams are viewed by enough people to make them affordable, the continued existence of fansubs can be overlooked. People are overreacting. Fansubs are too hard to eradicate for them to really take action, even if they want to, and they probably won't.

I mean, if Viz honestly wanted to eradicate scanlations of the manga they own, they could take out Manga Updates and Manga Helpers fairly easily. It's not like the sites are hidden or anything. And with two fell swoops, they'd have removed the centralized forum of the scanlation community, and the database keeping everything organized. Things would be back to the mess they were in 6 years ago. And yet they don't, as long as their versions make enough money to keep them happy. It's the same thing here. As long as the fansubs aren't a threat, FUNimation won't act.

[marte1980]

Because they're understanding of what Toei is forcing them to do? It's not like FUNimation is limiting the streams to the U.S. and Canada on purpose, it's Toei's fault. So they won't take action, unless they don't get enough views from Americans on their streams. THEN they'll need to take action against fansubs. But as long as enough Americans actually watch the streams (which shouldn't be a problem, judging from Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood), they won't need to stop fansubs, since they'll know that Americans who can are watching the stream, and Europeans and Asians who can't watch it anyway are downloading the fansubs.
FUNimation has had the One Piece license for over 2 years now. They've never made a move against anyone. I don't think that Viz has tried to eradicate the Naruto fansubs either, except for perhaps the major ones. That's because as long as the streams are viewed by enough people to make them affordable, the continued existence of fansubs can be overlooked. People are overreacting. Fansubs are too hard to eradicate for them to really take action, even if they want to, and they probably won't.
I mean, if Viz honestly wanted to eradicate scanlations of the manga they own, they could take out Manga Updates and Manga Helpers fairly easily. It's not like the sites are hidden or anything. And with two fell swoops, they'd have removed the centralized forum of the scanlation community, and the database keeping everything organized. Things would be back to the mess they were in 6 years ago. And yet they don't, as long as their versions make enough money to keep them happy. It's the same thing here. As long as the fansubs aren't a threat, FUNimation won't act.

That's not how things went till now. Just to give an example, Rumbel Subs received a C&D notice for Soul Eater that is licensed by Funimation.

[Imitorar]

I didn't say that they've NEVER given out a C & D. I'm aware of the fact that they have. I'm not sure why they only do it for some series', but I think that since they've never made a move against One Piece fansubs in over two years, you guys can rest easy. Besides, there are at least two ways to get past the region block that have been posted on the Internet and confirmed to work, so even if the fansubs somehow get taken out, you're STILL covered.

[marte1980]

I didn't say that they've NEVER given out a C & D. I'm aware of the fact that they have. I'm not sure why they only do it for some series', but I think that since they've never made a move against One Piece fansubs in over two years, you guys can rest easy. Besides, there are at least two ways to get past the region block that have been posted on the Internet and confirmed to work, so even if the fansubs somehow get taken out, you're STILL covered.

It's not a problem about circumventing the block. Blocks can be circumvented and there are easy ways to download streams, but the point of the discussion was if this news is good or not and the simple fact that we have to take countermeasures means that it's bad news.

[Akainu]

what countermeasures? if streams can be downloaded that easy then there is no need for any measures because someone will upload it sooner or later and there is even an 'official' sub that could be used as footing for international ones !?!

[monkey D luffy]

ah crap thats bad news for all europeans... they even stopped the dubbed version here and i dont know why, possibly too violent or something, we had the japanease version dubbed to hebrew with censoring of its own, not as bad as 4kids but still... ive been relying on fansubs and if they cease to exists i will have to find me a decent proxy and shows those basterds they cant stop one piece!

[goldb]

Hey all, quick update that I'm just forwarding, may or may nit be useful....

Watch OP on Funimation outside US:

credits: Xmurad AP
source: Dozer

Step 1.: Get Firefox!
Step 2.: Get the Modify Headers add-on!
Step 3.: Restart Firefox!
Step 4.: Open the Modify Headers add-on!
Step 5.: In the top left drop- down box, select add!
Step 6.: In the top left blank box, write: "X-Forwarded-For" (without ", of course)
Step 7.: In the top middle box, write: "12.13.14.15"
Step 8.: In the top right box, write: "Nvm"
Step 9.: In the top right corner, click "add"!
Step 10.: Open "Configuration" in the bottom right, and select "Open Modify Headers in a new tab?"
Step 11.: Save, exit the add-on, restart firefox.
Step 12.: Open the Modify Headers add- on. It should appear in a new tab.
Step 13.: Go to Funimation's website!
Step 14.: Enjoy

credits: Kubus

"Or download Hotspot Shield. Run the program, go to www.onepieceofficial.com and watch the stream"

credits: M00n,

vtunnel

By reading the amazing wikipedia and some research I have found out that the following tags can be used to track your ip and detect proxies.

Via, Forwarded, X-Forwarded-For and Client-ip headers.

In particular the X-Forwarded-For header was created as a defacto standard and works like this:

X-Forwarded-For Header: yourip(12.13.14.15 or whatever you typed), Proxy1_Ip, Proxy2_Ip, ect...

How it is suppose to work is if your isp has a proxy server for caching and keeping local copies of sites, when you go to the sight, the isp's computer goes there first, downloads it with its ip address, and then sends it to you. In that case, the isp's IP address would be the one seen by the site, not yours. So the software that popularized caching proxies decided to add a header that would be modified by the proxies to add your ip address and theirs, to make sure that your true ip address burst through. But as you can see by the people who managed to get the Spoofing working, its based on trust, and can easily be modified. In this case it looks like the orginating ip is 12.13.14.15 and there were no proxies it was routed through.

If anybody is having difficulty getting the site to load, try looking up those headers above in wikipedia/internet and modifying them appropriately. If it works, please post your results here. And if I wasn't clear about anything, feel free to tell me.

I've tried it just now and started watching FMA: Brotherhood...hopefully it lasts long enough for it to show OP.

[bellcrossage]

This isn't happening anymore for the time being because some a-hole had to ruin the whole thing for the millions of One Piece fans by leaking the episode before the Japanese broadcast!

There is some speculation that it was a fansubbing group. Funimation has a statement on the matter not having an episode to stream.

So all of you who were wanting to watch Episode 403, will have to wait, for awhile at least.

[Imitorar]

Aside from the fact that this has driven One Piece distribution in America a humongous step backwards (even after this guy is dealt with, FUNimation may not be able to get Toei to let them try simulcasting again, even if they want to), and the possible giant step backwards for anime distribution in American as a whole (other companies may have a harder getting simulcast plans approved now, not to mention the fact that they may very well be MUCH harsher in how they deal with fansubbers, since the companies now see that they can't allow other methods of distribution to exist) and aside from the fact that this may affect Viz's plan to get the manga up to date (hopefully they'll still do it, but it was never very certain, and their impetus to do it is now gone), people are saying that FUNimation may lose the One Piece license. That probably won't happen, but Toei has been known to be stupid about things like this before, so there is a chance of it coming to pass, albeit a small one. I hope they don't lose the license, if only so that they can sue whoever released 403 early into oblivion. It was an infinitesmally stupid move, with infinitesmal potential negative outcomes. Good job wanker, you may have screwed over the entire North American One Piece fandom.

[hossice]

I just hope this guy is brought to justice. and by justice i mean dark justice the kind rob lucci would give the guy. I would shigan this guy but idk where the hell he is.

[monkey D luffy]

I just hope this guy is brought to justice. and by justice i mean dark justice the kind rob lucci would give the guy. I would shigan this guy but idk where the hell he is.

are you talking about me? cuz if so do you really think you can beat the future pirate king?

@imitorar: i guess were even now, i do see your point, it sucks when there is a place in the world who cant get what they deserve because someone ruined it for them. and it goes both ways if you think about it deeply.