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Too short! Should've given him more time to say goodbye to his little Hime.
Too long! Who the hell needs five panels of a guy fading away?
Just right! Tragic but not dragged out like the others.
Who cares? He was barely a character...
Well...that was quick. Mistake on the very first post. Didn't expect to fail so epically so fast.
Anyway, now I want your opinion on this fairly prevalent character's demise at the hands of our main character Ichigo. I noticed that a lot of people were disappointed in the way he died. Without even getting a flashback like Grimmjow and Nnoitora.
I personally thought that his death was very fitting for his character. To start with, people call his personality dull and uninteresting but that was the point. He was heartless: the tinman of Bleach. His entire character was designed to be one-sided and shallow because it was stated time and time again that he did not believe in that all-important shounen heart. Because of that, I don't think that a flashback would have said much about him. The fact that he didn't have a flashback only showed that none of what had happened to him before mattered, only what he learns in his final moments...you know...love and friendship and all that good stuff.
It also didn't seem like the heart was something he lost some-odd years ago. It was just his personal philosophy; the exact opposite of Ichigo’s "fight for my friends" shpeal (which, by the way, made their fight the most intense one since Ichigo vs Byakuya). Hell, his aspect of death was desolation/nihilism.
And even though his end was somewhat sappy, it wasn’t like he went out like a wuss. The guy still was still fighting after getting his arm and legs ripped and blown off. Now that's a soldier! No wonder Aizen trusted him to defend Las Noches. He only died of exhaustion after a guy he KILLED, not once, not twice, but THREE times gets back up like nothing happened. I’d killed myself, too.
Tell me what you think.
I agree, his dead was fitting for his character, I am not saying it was perfectly done, but it was fine.
A flash back of Ulquiorra could have confirmed to us if he was truly a vastro or not, but besides that there wasn't much else to expect from a flash back...
So yeah, I am not brooding about his dead and the lack of a flash back, because in the end it would had felt out of place...
Nevertheless confirmation about the Vastros is something that some of us want and demand, so not getting a flash back to explain this particular situation, well kind of sucks.
Too long! Who the hell needs five panels of a guy fading away?
Because is true... who the hell wants to see 5 WASTED panels of a guy fading away -_-
Last edited by Chaoswind; May 23, 2009 at 03:30 AM.
Yeah but now that they're planning to show most if not all of the battles in the real world before they go back to HM, the likelihood of Ulquiorra being a Vasto Lorde is pretty low.
I mean if he were a Vasto Lorde, how anti-climatic would it be, after all the battling was done, to say "Oh by the way, Ichigo, that hollow guy that you killed: he was a Vasto Lorde. Good Job"? Nah. And I'm pretty sure Ulquiorra would have announced that he was a Vasto Lorde if he could, just to add another layer of despair for Ichigo.
Still, I'm gonna be pissed if Aizen just summons up a bunch of new Vasto Lord Arrancar out of now where. I'd just be a big "screw you" to all of us who started to like some of the Espada, if we found out that their only purpose was to lull everybody into a false sense of security so that the "real enemies" could make an grand entrance.
but that way...we might actually see some of the Captains get beaten around and have the Vizards step in.
Ulquiorra's death was a great moment in this manga.
It was kind of poetic.
And, it's also the first time that Kobo show some balls and actually kill one of the favorite character in the manga, even if he was a "bad guy".
I feel his death was appropriate for him but at the same time kubo could have made more out of it.
Oh don't worry, you didn't fail lol It was just a tiny slip which really doesn't matter. Lots of people make that mistake after being here for years >.> I made it a few times lol I think it's great you're posting ideas so don't stop
As for the current topic...
Well I feel his death was appropriate and for the reasons you've stated, it was indeed as symbolic as it could get for Ulquiorra's character. In the end, he did learn athing or two about humans interestingly.
I wonder if he had lived though, what would've happened. I had predicted a change of heart for Ulquiorra(most characters in series who question human emotions usually have a change of heart concerning those emotions), but I odn't know how far that would've brought him. People always discounted the idea that Ulquiorra would be the one to change sides because he was so loyal to Aizen.
I think Ulqui's death was all wrong. Not because it was to short or to long, simply because it was badly done.
The last few pages were basicly Orihime and Ichigo having a hissy fit while Ulqui died. The same guy who captured Orihime, attemped to kill 2 soul repears(only saved by Orhime), played with Orihime's mind, pretty much beat down and should have killed Ichigo, and has in all likelyhood eaten many Pluses as a hollow.
And then...WHAT?? Orihime is trying to hold on to Ulqui as he dies?? Shouldn't she be happy that her captor is dead? Kubo tried to lay stockholm syndrome on WAY to thickly. Yeah...it's not like at the same time someone, say ISHIDA a good friend of theirs, is bleeding to death right now and could really use a good healing, eh Orihime.
I'm all for him realizing that mayhaps humans are an interesting group and that love is a cool thing, and for a while now it has been hinted that he might feel that way but come on. Let him redeem himself first and then you can lay on some sort of sadness from Ichigo and Orihime.
I retrospect I didn't really mind how he died I minded the reaction to him dying. It was ridiculous how they felt about him.
The only thing that I think ulquiorras death lacked was a bigger flash when he died. Just disolving away was kinda... empty perhaps?
Not only that but what about Ishida, he's bleeding on the floor. Who does she care more about Ulqui or Ishida??
Last edited by Onomatopoeia; May 23, 2009 at 03:25 PM.
I really don't think he would have changed sides though. He knew what his objectives were and was resolved to achieve them no matter what. Granted he may have found his heart at the end thanks to Orihime and Ichigo but that doesn't mean he would've automatically switch sides.Quote:
My guess is, had he had the strength to go on, he would have still tried to kill Ichigo. In the end, even though realized his humanity, it doesn't change that fact that he was a hollow and Ichigo was a shinigami.
All good points but throughout the manga, it's been stated again and again that hollows are not inherently bad, just lost.Quote:
The way I see it, their reaction to him was more pity and sadness for the circumstances he was born in.
You mean he died a HOLLOW death just as Ichigo won a HOLLOW victory? Oh yeah...I went there.Quote:
Also aren't some hollows just plain old bad? Like that one guy at the beginning of the manga who was a murderer in his past life. didn't he go to hell? Wasn't his name Shriker?
Of course there are hollows that are just plain evil. Just as there are shinigami that are just plain d*cks: (Gin and Mayuri come to mind *edit* and Aizen...don't know why I left him out).
That also makes me wonder; can a shinigami be sent to hell when he dies? I mean that "do anything as long as you're a hollow" thing shouldn't really apply to shinigami who can actually discern right from wrong...Actually, now that I think about it, I guess that should apply to Arrancar as well...there goes my argument
Last edited by Tonguen_yomom; May 23, 2009 at 03:58 PM.
When a Shinigami dies... they truly die, not reincarnation or anything, Hollows souls are purified and go to SS (like the soul Burial on pluses), once you spend some time in SS (yet to be defined) those souls can reincarnate.
If a Shinigami is killed their soul is lost forever and their body turns into SP, the same would happen to Pluses that are murdered... and I guess the same happens to the Hollows that are killed and not purified (Quincy anyone?)
But who gives a damn really?
Wait...is a shinigami getting killed off that different from any other soul just spending some time in the Soul Society until they get reincarnated? I mean, shinigami were once just pluses too. Shouldn't they go to the same pace once they die or whatever? Do souls in the Soul Society even die naturally? Ukitake's been sick for god knows how long and Yama can't possibly live another 2000 years...right?
Anyway I never really understood that whole death system of Bleach all that much...You're right. None of it really matters. I was just interested. Maybe Aizen'll shed some light on this matter once he's "standing in heaven."