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Translations: Bleach 600 (2)
first of all I want to say sorry if this topic were allready discussed in some other thread...... but I didnt find a thread with this content.
(and i think the search-function in this forum isnt really a good one)
Tousen and Gin seems to be the right and the left-hand of Aizen, but how powerful are they compared to the espada ?
Tousen ripped off Grimjows left arm very easily but I dont think that Grimjow expected the attack of Tousen....so I dont think that this is an indicator of his strenght.
Are they stronger then the espada or weaker, does Aizen given them some power-up like he created the "espada" ?
I think they are stronger than Espada cuz:
- We didn't have seen their bankai but at other Gods of death example, we know that bankai is really powerful .
- As Aizen's left and right hand they couldn't be weaker than espada
And changing thread i don't be shocked if Gin/Tousen will kill zero espada xD
Actually, we have seen Tousen's Bankai. Despite such an incredible hax-ability (as most people would classify it), Tousen was unable to beat Kenpachi. Also, according to the stats in the databook, Tousen is a pretty weak captain. Gin seems about average.
Still, I wouldn't underestimate either of them. We haven't seen Gin's Bankai and while Tousen may not be the best fighter, he seems proficient at kidou and strategy. It's also possible that Aizen, Gin and Tousen already have new Hollow abilities - after all, that was Aizen's entire point with stealing the Hougyoku: transcending the borders of power of Shinigami and become even stronger than he already was by obtaining Hollow abilities.
The way I see it, Tousen and Gin are not very strong compared to the Espada. But if they have obtained Hollow powers, that's a whole different story. In that case, they could be around the level of the top 4.
He tested on Shinigami, and he's now testing on Hollow.
I think when he's satisfied of the results, he will test again on Shinigami (Tousen and Gin), so I think that once we get to see them fight, they will be just like Uber-Strong Vizards.
Well as we look on the circumstances of the espadas now. I'd say that gin and tousen could be comparable to even the likes of the 5th espada
I do believe Tousen and Gin are stronger than the Espada.
Gin seems strong, only because his abilities are largely unknown and he demonstrates that eerily confident aura about him.
The problem with Tousen is that we've seen him beaten. And the Bleach fanbase is obsessed with gauging strengths on past performances and finds it hard to let go. (Hitsugaya's most recent fight and the arguments surrounding it being a prime example).
The bottom line is, they're with Aizen for a reason. Personally, I see Aizen and Gin betraying Tousen at some point in the future. Tousen is there because of his own "path of justice", I think Aizen is using that and will eventually discard him.
^I definitely agree about that last part.
Tousen seems to believe that Aizen will bring some sort of order to the world, but Aizen's not going to follow that deal. He probably convinced Tousen to join him early on, so no one would realise anything about Kyouka Suigetsu. Once Tousen's role is played, Aizen and Gin will betray him.
I think Tousen is on par with Komamura, and Gin is on par with Hitsugaya. (unless they are now hollows) They both are weaker than Stark.
You can't make assumptions like that gran maestro. tousen and gin hollowfied would be comparable to love and rose from the vizards. as ex captiains like i said in previous post they are comparable to the 6th espada or 5th. The mask won't give them such a jump from 5th to 4th because ichigo with mask got demolished, so the same can occur with gin and tousen hollowfied
Well, I think hollowification is overrated. IMO it doesn't make a shinigami ultra-powerful, it's a 20%, 30% power-boost at best. I think 2 shinigami Shinji can easily best 1 vizard Shinji.
According to this theory of mine, Hollow Tousen would be on par with Byakuya and Hollow Gin would be on par with Shunsui. It would make Gin stronger than Stark (Bankai Shunsui>Stark) but Tousen doesn't have this potential.