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And Atobe and Marui aren't really that comparable, considering Marui's a doubles dude. But, I can say that Marui is a better doubles player than Atobe. Yes, Atobe used Synchro with Nioh, but c'mon, that was Nioh ... who became Atobe ... It's not that farfetched to believe that Atobe could use Synchro with himself, considering how egotistical he is.
I think you're forgetting that, Atobe/Nioh is not a true doubles pair. It was something made up the very night before the matches. Yes, so was Marui/Kite, but you gotta remember, Kite's a national-leveled player while Marui was arguably a part of the best doubles combo in middle school tennis ... until Kikumaru/Oishi. Nioh was a great doubles player, but the whole trickster thing really only worked to it's fullest extent with The Gentleman, who himself was also a trickster.
Last edited by Brandnewkid; July 09, 2012 at 11:48 PM.
Atobe/Niou worked together and eventually ended up with Synchro, which made them into a great pair. When Niou played with Yagyuu, he never even used Illusion (didn't have it at the time), so he couldn't be as good anyway. Yagyuu also likes cosplay, as shown when he plays with Kaidou.
Atobe/Niou make a far better combination in that both of them are more talented than both Marui and Kite, and as Kite's not a doubles player, it's not as if he has an advantage over Niou there. Moreover, not only are Atobe/Niou more talented, which would probably get them the win over another hastily thrown together pair anyway, with Synchro, they become a much better pair. It's hard to fathom a power up which would make Marui/Kite better than Atobe/Niou. Atobe/Niou struggled against Ochi/Mouri, at least before Synchro, and Kimijima/Tohno are even better than Ochi/Mouri. Marui/Kite don't have Synchro or anything, so their advantages are slim. Kimijima/Tohno almost certainly lose as Tohno's attacked three players so far, so he's nonredeemable, which means that Marui/Kite win, and their bases/techs shouldn't make much of an impact on Kimijima/Tohno. It's just a sticky situation, in that Marui/Kite shouldn't have much team chemistry, and the 7/8 pair should be better than them.
You're not saying anythingggggggg. How is he just better?Quote:
How are they high level techniques? You're only saying that because Atobe gets so much screentime you're led to believe that. I admit Atobe Kingdom is amazing but it's not flawless. And World of Ice, even Oshitari can beat that.Quote:
You can't compare the two. Insight is the ability to know what the opponent will do based on certain conditions, or to realize those conditions at any given moment. Motion vision is the ability to see dynamic objects with clear vision. This is why Sengoku was able to trace Richard Sakata, even though his legs were barely visible to the normal eye. They are two completely different skills.Quote:
Whaddyouevenmeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeean. Again, this isn't really saying anything.Quote:
This is exactly why I can. Marui is now paired with someone who is an upgraded version of his former partner, who was already a champion doubles pair. Atobe paired up with someone he never so much as spoke to before. But, Marui and Kite is basically super Marui/Jackal, so Marui's talents are even more pronounced.Quote:
You probably won't say that by the end of the match.Quote:
I don't think any of us are saying Bunta/Kite is a worse doubles team than Atobe/Niou. What I am saying is Atobe as a tennis player is better than both Kite and Bunta, so he is on a higher tier level. Niou is better than Bunta, and arguably better than Kite. When you objectively look at the evidence, on paper, Atobe/Niou should have a higher overall ability level. It is like trying to compare Sanada/Yukimura to Eiji/Oishi. Yes Golden pair is considered the best MS doubles team, but when they face two singles players who are just flat out better than them, they would get destroyed regardless. It's the same with this.
As for how Atobe is better than Kite:
Nationals Kite would have been demolished by Kantou Sanada. Kite has big bang, but Sanada is physically strong. Kite has shukuchi, but Sanada has Zan and Muga. Shukuchi is not like a Rai teleport, as it is just an illusion. I don't think anyone would argue that Kantou Sanada wouldn't have beat Kite the same way he has been beating Atobe. That said, Atobe created World of Ice so he could beat Sanada's Zan. That automatically puts Nationals Atobe on a higher level than Nationals Kite. I mean lets face it, for 4 games, Kite was playing the crappy gimp Kantou Tezuka. People like Sanada and Yukimura were already very familiar with playing PoHW Tezuka, so Kantou Tezuka was a joke to them. The second Tezuka used PoHW, Kite didn't get a single point and Tezuka won. That would not have happened to anybody in tiers S and A. Even Chitose played evenly with PoHW Tezuka which automatically says Chitose > Kite. Since Nationals Chitose is basically the same skill level as Nationals Atobe, that means Atobe > Kite.
As for how Atobe is better than Kite:
First off, lets get one thing clear. You do realize that the Shukuchiho is an actual East Asian martial arts technique? It's not a super-running/teleport technique, it's a skill that uses fancy footwork to give people the impression that the person used it to close the distance between themselves and the opponent in one step. Yes, it is an illusion, but it is effective all the same.Quote:
Now, Sanada is physically strong? I don't see how you can use that as a point, seeing how Kite is an expert at Okinawan martial arts.
And all this talk about gimp Tezuka does nothing for me, considering Kite's skills and reputation as a player even had Sanada and the rest of Rikkai worried for a second.
@Brandnewkid how would Oshitari overcome WOI unless he has a zone or no blind spots he isn't overcoming WOI.
But to me, I think it's common sense. Oshitari's Pokerface hides all of his habitual movements and such, giving the impression that he isn't even there. The effect is similar to that of Sanada's In. If the person isn't even there, how can Atobe use his insight?