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Now, the title is a bit misleading, but I don't have much space for it. By this I means the place where Tezuka is at the begining of the series. Kantou-Tezuka or whatever. This is so that we can knows which 2nd year is in a good place right now. As of now if they continue to play tennis they should be at the high level similar to high tier right now in their 3rd year.
In my opinion, this would includes players who are the same level as Reginal! Tezuka, Sanada, and Atobe. And perhaps Rikkai players who are all supposedly at least Regional! Tezuka level
From what I've seen, I guess Momoshiro, Kaidoh, Kirihara, and maybe Hiyoshi?
I like threads like this one. Let's see, these are our options (unless I missed someone):
Is it Tezuka with Muga? I think he achieved it as a first year, but he sealed the move, right?
Without Muga, I'd say that Kaidou, Kirihara, Kabaji and Momoshiro definetly have a chance (I see Kaidou being a bit ahead of the others... or Kabaji easily winning in a long match unless it rains or some bs like that). MAYBE Wakashi and (if God Konomi wants it) Zaizen. The rest would get absolutely destroyed.
If Tezuka has Muga then no one has a chance really.
Last edited by Hardy; August 25, 2014 at 11:52 PM.
Kirihara is probably the only one at that level. Kaidou and momoshiro are reaching it, kabaka is just kabaji, Hitoshi and choutaro are hard to tell because with Hiyoshi it depends on konomi and choutaro is just a big server. Fudomine is still a ways off. Yuuta has a long way to go and zaizen I have no idea.
Kabaji was beating the crap out of Tezuka in the nationals :<
Kaidou and Momo are arguably better than Kirihara atm. Kaidou has his combo (that Kirihara didn't even try to return) and Momo has BJK (which is a really good move and, if the SSS reflection theory is right, maybe he could even reflect Tezuka Zone), so I can see both of them having a chance against Tezuka.
Kirihara in Angel Mode might be at that level. That said, I'm uncertain that Tezuka in the beginning of the series is that over the top in comparison compare to Gyro Laser and BJK stuff anyways.
Kaidoh might not be due to bad match up though. Tezuka Zone DO own Laser combo pretty badly.
Kaidou, Momoshiro, Kirihara, Hiyoshi, Kabaji.
They're probably on a comparable level just because of their stats at this point, I doubt Kanto!Tezuka had more than 14 or 15 total.
How strong do you think the Kantou! Sanada is in comparison to all those characters?
Hard to say. They mostly have straight forward styles, so Sanada could probably shut them down with FuuRinKaZan? I don't think he'd win on stats though.
I think stat-wise the current 2nd years are either equal or a little above kantou tezuka and sanada. These guys were the top of the crop throughout the manga. Tezuka was a top player even with his injury. Angel mode is basically devil mode without the bloodlust and "insanity". The stat increase is still about the same but angel mode can only be used when paired with shiraishi. I think thats what was said in the fanbook. Kaidou and momoshiro just caught up to that tezuka. That tezuka was probably a little less than what he was before he played Yamato.
FuuRinKaZan actually cant shut them down now like they could have back then. Kaidou has his gyro laser and powered up stats. Momoshiro has BJK and increased power. We have yet to see more from them. Kantou Sanada could still probably beat them but it could go either way. Kabaji is hard to say because of his super copy.
No, that's Sane Devil Mode. Angel Mode is what Kirihara has at the last part of his match with Shiraishi. Basing ourselves in the fanbook and what we saw in the manga, Angel Mode seems to be WAY better than Devil Mode. But yes, Kirihara can't be in that state if he isn't paired with Shiraishi... yet.
I think that Tezuka Zone > BJK and Kaidou's combo, but if the 2nd years have better stats than Tezuka then I could see it being something like a 50/50
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Offtopic, but just now I noticed that Kirihara is the character with the most ¨modes¨. 5 in total if we include bloodshot and Muga. Ryoma has the same amount.
I think JK kinda worked there because it surprised Tezuka. Atobe didn't use it again IIRC, which kinda says a little about how good that move is.
Also, remember how much Tezuka buttraped Momo in the school tournament (or wtv it is) before Kanto.
And yup, I was counting Samurai.
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But I'd like to remark, again, that BJK may be able to reflect TZ, which would be super troll.