Shin Prince of Tennis Chapter 08 and 09 Discussion/Predictions

[Dansan1]

No, they were new techniques.

Unless a character states that they were not, they are new.

Umm.....no. Besides, like we said, you had multiple people say they were not new. Yukimura and even Renji. Who said not "these are Sanada's newest additions to FuuRinKaZan." He said it was the TRUE form. Indicating what was shown before was incomplete because he already had it.

Nobody said anything about PoGW, so he created it during the match.

Again that doesn't make any sense logically...

I also completely disagree about him predicting the shots before Konomi revealed the aura is somehow proof he created on the spot?

As for what Yukimura said about Sanada sealing the techniques for Tezuka. Rai? I can believe that. In? Not a chance. Like I said, Tezuka did NOT have PoGW until the Nationals.

Umm...once again your extremely skewered vision and refusal to believe something Konomi stated outright does not make it cease to exist....


Like I said Tezuka DID have PoGW before the semis.....

[Sai_the_Shaman]

I don't know when Tezuka received Saiki, but it seems fairly plausible that he discovered it before he actually used it. However, to me, it seemed that it was at least unknown to the general public that he had it at all. It wouldn't surprise me though that Sanada would knew about it, as only the 3 Demons knew about Hyakuren in the first place.

The exact line Yukimura said about Sanada's techniques was something along the lines of (I dont have the volume in front of me since I'm at work....I'll double check when I get home): Just as Tezuka sealed off his techniques, Sanada has also sealed off his.

This definitely implies that Sanada's In and Rai were not new techniques. It is possible they were the newest of the group of techniques, but they were definitely created long before the Nationals.

[Fayte]

I still don't know where you're getting this from.
http://www.onemanga.com/Prince_of_Tennis/312/05/

Tezuka doesn't seem at all surprised when Chitose does it, and seemed to be familiar with the concept. Why would Sanada have prepared In for Saiki when if Saiki was invented during the match he wouldn't have known? The semifinals occurred simultaneously so he had no way of knowing about Saiki unless it was something known beforehand.

So that means Fuji must have it, being he explained the entire concept.

Umm.....no. Besides, like we said, you had multiple people say they were not new. Yukimura and even Renji. Who said not "these are Sanada's newest additions to FuuRinKaZan." He said it was the TRUE form. Indicating what was shown before was incomplete because he already had it.

He was talking about Hyakuren. I already said that wasn't new. I'm talking about Saiki.

Again that doesn't make any sense logically...

I also completely disagree about him predicting the shots before Konomi revealed the aura is somehow proof he created on the spot?

How on earth did Tezuka have Saiki and yet NOBODY said ANYTHING when he actually did it? Knowing how Konomi operates, someone WILL know of another's technique, and they will blatantly say when they had it. If nobody says anything, it is new.


I don't care if everyone in the world disagrees with me. Konomi gave absolutely NO EXPLANATION to how Tezuka pulled Saiki out of his anus and slapped Chitose with it. And you are seriously saying Yukimura said "Tezuka had Saiki and Hyakuren the whole time, guys. Chitose wasn't needed for this series."

Give me a break. It was a screw up by Konomi, with a last minute explanation. It wouldn't be the first time.

[Dansan1]

Umm...half the stuff you quoted me about I was referring to FuuRinKaZan....not Saiki. Even in the first part you quoted me I actually had FuuRinKaZan written in the quote. I was talking about how both Yukimura and Renji stated Sanada's techniques were not new. How could you possibly take that to be a reference to Saiki? Read my posts...

In case you missed it the flow of my logic was since Sanada specifically had In and Rai for Tezuka, and he had them for a while thus Tezuka had Saiki earlier.

Most of my post was in regard to Sanada having In and Rai earlier....

And yes you're the only one with a problem that Tezuka having Saiki and no on knowing about it or mentioning when he first had it. Notice how no one knew about Chitose's Saiki either... That is not a logical problem it is a "you have a problem with the scenario personally". It makes absolute sense to me and leaves me with no qualms.

It was not a screw up, Konomi did it exactly how he wanted and there is no problem with continuity or logic...it is simply a case of you not liking how Konomi handled the situation. Doesn't stop it from being what it is.

[DavenSodan]

Err... Tezuka showed PoHW at this competition three years before. And yet, nobody knew it as he released it against Higa... So Rai must have been created to defeat it... Yuki also says so! And with sealed off it proably means that he created it like one or two years ago but never met Tezuka until then. If he had shown it earlier Tezuka would have been informed about it from Inui or someone and created something against it beforehand. I believe Sanada just knew about Saiki from all the books like Chitose and thought "hey, if he comes up with that too I will loose" so he created In to be on the safe side. Chitose first used Saiki against Tachibana, never before. Even his team mates didnt know about it. So Sanada couldnt have created it because of him. Because IF he did, he wouldnt have to seal it off just because the final was like in 3 days...

[Ravsieg]

By the way Fayte, that render of Sanada's black aura moment is my new wallpaper.

[Monocle21]

anyone else get the feeling that atobe is gonna lose his match?

[Atobe the king]

I do as well...though it would be down right illogical.

[Ravsieg]

That would be just a major Hiyoshi hype, and I feel it's quite soon. However it's almost granted he'll give Atobe a major push.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Me too. I'm terribly afraid of that. I don't know why, but I think Hiyoshi can beat him.

Reasons for that theory: Atobe's match will be the main matchup next week...And Atobe raping Hiyoshi wouldn't be good enough fo a main matchup.

So I assume Hiyoshi will put up a good match somehow.
I bet my life he will say something about beating Atobe and taking his place.

[Atobe the king]

Meh..im thinking 7-5 with atobe not using Koori no sekkai or Tannhauser

[Sherlock Holmes]

Yeah. Hiyoshi lost two matches so far.
VS Echizen(no one beats him)
VS Kaidou/Inui(He had the cancer as his partner. Not his fault.)

If Atobe doesn't use his techniques, then it should be 7-4, 7-3.
...Hell it should be 7-0 even if he doesn't use anything. But I'm still afraid...When did the last spoilers start showing up again?

[Atobe the king]

We should hopefully see stuff next week.

As for Hiyoshi he got thrashed 6-2 and Inui and Kaido could have owned them earlier but let them waste their energy and he was burned out pretty quick.

They even say he's good at short matches..while atobe..well there were 2 ridiculously long tie breakers in this series..Atobe was in both of them..a testament to his stamina.

[Sherlock Holmes]

I'm going to predict 47-45 Atobe.
Because I just had a hunch. Now that you mentioned, all of Atobe's matchs have been long tie-breakers. I don't think this one will break the tradition.

[Ravsieg]

His thrashing of Mizuki didn't need to go to a tiebreak. xD