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Thread: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

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    Re: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aikidoka View Post
    Great topic choice. I agree, stupid idea to send the 4th division considering they only had Kira left and he doesn’t even count.

    Yama sent the 4 to get the Drifters out right? If it were me I'd also try to send the captains to wreak havoc as well, rock the bad guys a bit.

    1) Kenpachi, my first choice. He'd go on a rampage, I'd definitely rely on him to cause havoc in HM.

    2) Mayuri, to serve a dual role, the second to gather info about HM since SS doesn't have enough intel on HM.

    3) Soi Fon. Assuming Yama knows of her Bankai's abilities...I would order her to go BanKai upon getting the Drifters out, and nuke Las Noches. Boom. Base gone. Maybe aim at the foundations since the blast may not cover the whole thing. Destroy destroy destroy.

    4) Komamura, cause lots of havoc while rescuing the Drifters.

    I'd send Hanataro or Isane along just to back them up as healers.
    I agree 100% as well, in hindsight from my original list, haha. And Yama has to see that each of the potential captains can use bankai, so he would know their bankai.

    Also, it's supposed to be an extraction mission as well. Assuming Soi Fon is supposed to be fast, it fits her role too.

    But I would send Hanataro, Isane, the blond guy who was shown alot (4th division), and then maybe more fodder 4th division.
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    Re: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

    Personally, I'd send everyone Yama sent, except swap out Unohana with Soifon, but still keep Isane and Hana.

    Soifon could probably 2HKO Yammy fast enough, he's so huge she could probably just pierce anywhere twice.

    Either that or switch her out with Byakuya. I'm sure the bankai nuke could kill Zommari, and Byakuya's shikai and bankai would probably be a lot more effective on Barragan, not to mention Byakuya's got kido on his side.

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    Re: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zatono View Post
    Personally, I'd send everyone Yama sent, except swap out Unohana with Soifon, but still keep Isane and Hana.

    Soifon could probably 2HKO Yammy fast enough, he's so huge she could probably just pierce anywhere twice.

    Either that or switch her out with Byakuya. I'm sure the bankai nuke could kill Zommari, and Byakuya's shikai and bankai would probably be a lot more effective on Barragan, not to mention Byakuya's got kido on his side.
    Yh I think Soi fon would defo have been a good pick for that mission. If nothing else, shes fast she could get Ichigo/Orihime and RUN, Starrk style.

    Also if I were Yama I'd feel a lot better about facing the top 3 if Byakuya was there-I mean obvioulsy if i were Yama i could killed each one of the top 3 espada without paying attention but id feel better about the battle as a whole lol.
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    Re: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

    Thinking back to the pendulum arc, Yama wanted to send the Kido captain instead of Unohana, so that he could do healery and it would not put the main healer on the front line before they were aware of the situation.

    I think the situation is the same. Yama didn't know what the situation was so he sent the same balanced party, with the exception that he didn't have a "Shinji" to send. If anything should crap up, you need an experienced captain with so much power that they could wipe away a vastolord or two (yama knows Aizen should have some by now).

    I postulate that there is no kido captain at the moment good enough to do the healing to replace Unohana. There is also no "Shinji" to send and considering that Ukitake and Shunsui are a killer pair, they are better off being the last line of defence. Therefore the reason for sending Unohana was two fold. The best healer and someone who can mop up, should things turn sour.

    But I still reckon that Ken went just because he felt like it.
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    Re: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

    Quote Originally Posted by poobert View Post
    Thinking back to the pendulum arc, Yama wanted to send the Kido captain instead of Unohana, so that he could do healery and it would not put the main healer on the front line before they were aware of the situation.

    I think the situation is the same. Yama didn't know what the situation was so he sent the same balanced party, with the exception that he didn't have a "Shinji" to send. If anything should crap up, you need an experienced captain with so much power that they could wipe away a vastolord or two (yama knows Aizen should have some by now).

    I postulate that there is no kido captain at the moment good enough to do the healing to replace Unohana. There is also no "Shinji" to send and considering that Ukitake and Shunsui are a killer pair, they are better off being the last line of defence. Therefore the reason for sending Unohana was two fold. The best healer and someone who can mop up, should things turn sour.

    But I still reckon that Ken went just because he felt like it.
    Yh he so did lol. I have to say though while I am also sure that Shinji was a BEAST even then we dont know if he was and how much stronger than say Byakuya is now.
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    Re: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

    Why do so many people think unohana was a bad choice or that yama for whatever reason should not have sent her? Considering how the story has moved I would think anyone but her would have been a grave mistake. Isane should be a great healer, but she alone would have been unreliable in HM. Just one fight with a fraccion or numero would have at the very least exhaust her which would mean she would have been unable to heal the injured. on the other hand unohana has the skills to either scare or beat the shit out of the ordinary numero/fraccion fodder(as she did with rudobon) and rapidly heal anyone. She even has the strength to at least hold her ground against an espada(against whom people such as isane and hanotarou would not have lasted a second). Not sending unohana would have been a grave mistake IMO.

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    Re: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

    Quote Originally Posted by kkck View Post
    Why do so many people think unohana was a bad choice or that yama for whatever reason should not have sent her? Considering how the story has moved I would think anyone but her would have been a grave mistake. Isane should be a great healer, but she alone would have been unreliable in HM. Just one fight with a fraccion or numero would have at the very least exhaust her which would mean she would have been unable to heal the injured. on the other hand unohana has the skills to either scare or beat the shit out of the ordinary numero/fraccion fodder(as she did with rudobon) and rapidly heal anyone. She even has the strength to at least hold her ground against an espada(against whom people such as isane and hanotarou would not have lasted a second). Not sending unohana would have been a grave mistake IMO.
    Exactly, going into the heart of the enemy's terriotry requires you to send one of your best man (unohana) to make sure all your men are safe and protected

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    Re: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raizen View Post
    Exactly, going into the heart of the enemy's terriotry requires you to send one of your best man (unohana) to make sure all your men are safe and protected
    I agree but I think Unohana is too valuable to SS to risk like that.
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    Re: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mifune_Taichou View Post
    I agree but I think Unohana is too valuable to SS to risk like that.
    The alternative was not sendig healers though. Hanatarou cannot fight at all and should isane meet a numero/fraccion or an espada, she would have been mostly unable to heal anyone due to either exhaustion or death. All in all, the decision was whether to send healers or not and since they went for it, unohana was the best and only choice.

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    Re: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

    Quote Originally Posted by kkck View Post
    The alternative was not sendig healers though. Hanatarou cannot fight at all and should isane meet a numero/fraccion or an espada, she would have been mostly unable to heal anyone due to either exhaustion or death. All in all, the decision was whether to send healers or not and since they went for it, unohana was the best and only choice.
    True. I still think there were ways around it however. For example sending someone like Hachi from the Kido core plus 4th div VC, 3rd seat and Hanatarrou. I mean look how well Kira is doing and he isnt even proper 4th division. if they send some supplement troups to fight fraccion they could have done with the weaker 4th div members. For example:

    send Isane, the 3rd Seat and hannatarou and also send Ukitake's 3rd seats to guard them from Fraccion. dnt forget Yachiru would be there too with Zaraki, as well as Nemu with mayuri so thats 4 VC level combatants to protect the healers from fodder fraccion while the captains smite the big fry. Add to that the Kido core VC and you're good. I dunno thats how I would have done it anyway. Maybe even sent Nanao in as well so she does SOMETHING in this war.
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    Re: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mifune_Taichou View Post
    True. I still think there were ways around it however. For example sending someone like Hachi from the Kido core plus 4th div VC, 3rd seat and Hanatarrou. I mean look how well Kira is doing and he isnt even proper 4th division. if they send some supplement troups to fight fraccion they could have done with the weaker 4th div members. For example:

    send Isane, the 3rd Seat and hannatarou and also send Ukitake's 3rd seats to guard them from Fraccion. dnt forget Yachiru would be there too with Zaraki, as well as Nemu with mayuri so thats 4 VC level combatants to protect the healers from fodder fraccion while the captains smite the big fry. Add to that the Kido core VC and you're good. I dunno thats how I would have done it anyway. Maybe even sent Nanao in as well so she does SOMETHING in this war.
    The kido corps could have been a good idea but it depends on the level they currently have. As for the 4th division 3rd seat and the two the 2 3rd seats from ukitake's division, I have serious doubts(it has been implied there is a significant difference in skill between normal 3rd seats and normal VC). To fight a fraccion/numero you need to have at the very least VC strength otherwise it is pointless. None of them strike me as having that sort of power for the time being. Not to mention that that particular group would have no way of surviving a real espada in a fight(unless suddenly all espada have fragile fishbowls for heads).

    All in all, for a healer to be useful or successful in HM, he had to be strong enough to kill and espada and easily defeat fodder(numero's and stuff) and skilled enough to heal everyone incredibly fast. If the selected person fell short in either aspect, then that person was utterly and hopelessly useless. The only one we currently know of who has such skill is unohana and no one else.

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    Re: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

    Quote Originally Posted by kkck View Post
    The kido corps could have been a good idea but it depends on the level they currently have. As for the 4th division 3rd seat and the two the 2 3rd seats from ukitake's division, I have serious doubts(it has been implied there is a significant difference in skill between normal 3rd seats and normal VC). To fight a fraccion/numero you need to have at the very least VC strength otherwise it is pointless. None of them strike me as having that sort of power for the time being. Not to mention that that particular group would have no way of surviving a real espada in a fight(unless suddenly all espada have fragile fishbowls for heads).

    All in all, for a healer to be useful or successful in HM, he had to be strong enough to kill and espada and easily defeat fodder(numero's and stuff) and skilled enough to heal everyone incredibly fast. If the selected person fell short in either aspect, then that person was utterly and hopelessly useless. The only one we currently know of who has such skill is unohana and no one else.
    I know I know but at a certain point you have to ask yourself-would you rather Unohana healed the captains you send or the captains you left behind. Considering I would personally send:

    Komamura, zaraki, mayuri and Soi Fon my thinking is-Komamura and Zaraki can take it/are hard to damage. Mayuri can heal himself probably and Soi Fon is hard to hit. On the flipside id want my best healer there to heal people like Byakuya, Hitsugaya Ukitake, shunsui etc who are more human and some (Shunsui/Ukitake) more important.
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    Re: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mifune_Taichou View Post
    I know I know but at a certain point you have to ask yourself-would you rather Unohana healed the captains you send or the captains you left behind. Considering I would personally send:

    Komamura, zaraki, mayuri and Soi Fon my thinking is-Komamura and Zaraki can take it/are hard to damage. Mayuri can heal himself probably and Soi Fon is hard to hit. On the flipside id want my best healer there to heal people like Byakuya, Hitsugaya Ukitake, shunsui etc who are more human and some (Shunsui/Ukitake) more important.
    You are forgetting a mayor detail though. The gotei 13 did not send the captains to HM knowing the war was going to be fought a few hours from that moment. They were prepared, but they still expected to fight it during the winter a few months from now. The gotei 13 sent the captains as a backup and rescue team so that the ichigo and co could fight the war in the future. Of course they miscalculated but still.

    Even if they had known the war was going to be fought at that moment, sending unohana would have been the only option though. It would not have change the fact that whoever they sent was going to fight numero/fraccion and espada and still had to heal the injured.

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    Re: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

    Quote Originally Posted by kkck View Post
    You are forgetting a mayor detail though. The gotei 13 did not send the captains to HM knowing the war was going to be fought a few hours from that moment.
    Exactly, which is why it is so similar to the pendulum arc. Either Unohana or the kido chief would have to go as you need a superb healer, who can escort injured people safely.

    Either the Kido chief right now is rubbish or they don't exist. Or most likely, Unohana is just way more capable. The captains had to retrieve all the shinigami/humans from HM and bring them back safe. Nothing does that better than the flying monster thing. Not to mention Unohana can absolutely take care of herself AND anyone she is with.

    If only we knew who the Kido chief was.
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    Re: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

    I forgot to mention that there was also the captains being trapped detail. The gotei 13 also probably did not consider the possibilty of the 4 captains sent there being held captive on the dimension. In that sense, even if they did expect the war to begin soon, they could have just cross the garganta back home. That was one of the things kisuke was supposed to do, make sure the captains are able to do battle.

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