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Thread: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

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    Re: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Darek Khort View Post
    Meh, Yama probably sent 4 captains because Orihime was in HM and if Yama had any idea of her ability he probably concluded that Aizen would use Orihime to reject the event of Urahara sealing the Hougyoku's full power; thus returning it to full power.

    Given the information available at the time Yama probably realised the most pressing issue was to get her back.

    1. I do believe Mayuri was a good choice. Research, get new intel/etc. He probably wanted to go too given he's a scientist. If an astronomer was given a chance to go study stars/moons/planets on the actual planets, they'd probably go there right away.

    2. Kenpachi was a good choice too. He probably wanted to go too. Afterall, he loves fighting but in SS he doesn't really have many people to fight. And I'm sure any hollows that go to SS on the odd occasion probably can be handled by ranked subordinates.

    3. Byakuya probably asked to go due to Rukia. Given his experience I assume Yama thought it alright for him to go.

    4. Unohana was the wrong choice. Should have just sent her VC, or just Hanatarou. Unohana should have either stayed in SS or more likely be in Fake KT to heal the wounded.

    Of course, Yama wouldn't have sent Unohana if he was not in a manga. Unfortunately this is a manga and if Unohana was in FKT than any damage that the good guys got wouldn't have been as shocking because Unohana would have easily been able to heal them.
    I think the one point we're all agreed on is that sending Unohana was a brain fart of massive proportions. Theres just no need to send your chief healer on an invasion when Yama himself refused to send her out in the Vaizrd gaiden.

    When it comes to Byakuya its a tough choice. If Hitsugaya could in fact fight normally in HM and would simply lose the power to reforge his bankai then tactically it made more sense to send him as hed be strong enough to take out the level of Espada Byakuya did while at least in my view BYakuya is still the stronger and is best kept in reserve. I honestly dont think Hallibell could survive Byakuya. Strategically however it was probably best to send him because

    1. his mind would be on Rukia even if he stayed behind and

    2. Hitsugaya is supposed to become the next best thing after Yamajii/replace him so keeping him back where he could make sure he survives until he does become an unstoppable killing machine like Yama would be a good bet.
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    Re: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

    Quote Originally Posted by -Ren Boy- View Post
    then Ichigo and co will die and soul society will still have to fight the 10 espadas.

    Don't forget ichigo plays a big role in soul society, and thats why yama forbidded ichigo to go
    Eh... 9 and 6 were already down by the time SS arrived to HM. They'd have still've had the number advantage and the fact of not being split up, especially from the healing squad.

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    Re: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

    If Byakuya wanted/asked to go, Yama had the choice to pimp slap him and say no. He did the same with Urahara in turn back the pendelum.

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    Re: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mifune_Taichou View Post
    I think the one point we're all agreed on is that sending Unohana was a brain fart of massive proportions. Theres just no need to send your chief healer on an invasion when Yama himself refused to send her out in the Vaizrd gaiden.
    I don't think sending Unohana was actually that bad of an idea. The idea behind their mission was to rescue Ichigo and his friends in Hueco Mundo. It wasn't supposed to be a full-scale invasion but more of a surgical strike. Thus, Yamamoto needed to send in an elite group of powerful captains.

    On the mission, a healer is essential to heal the injured (of Ichigo's party and the rescuers). It was unknown how powerful the enemy would be, and thus if the rescue team encountered a very dangerous opponent and needed healing, I doubt that Isane or a lower ranked 4th division member could protect and heal the rescue party.

    The situation is radically different than the situation during the gaiden. During the gaiden, a completely unknown process was occuring. At that time, no one had any idea what was happening or who/what was causing it to happen. It was something that had not ever been apparently encountered before in the history of SS. Thus, it wouldn't have made sense to send a healer (not Unohana or even a low-ranked member of the 4th division), because what was happening was not understood and they would be rather needlessly at risk. It made more sense to request the services of someone from the Kidou Corps, who presumably deals with using kidou in various ways that might be better equipped to handle the situation.

    For this mission, the situation is much more well-known. The rescue team would be infiltrating Hueco Mundo, Aizen's stronghold, where they would encounter powerful arrancar and possibly the three traitor captains. The abilities of the arrancar are unknown, but that is an unknown that the Gotei 13 always faces when they oppose hollow. The main unknown in this situation was the power of the opponents, and so a powerful healer was needed: Unohana.

    Captain Unohana is a member of Gotei 13, the military organization of the Soul Society. Not only that, she is a captain, and from the way she has been characterized thus far, she is probably a fairly powerful one at that. She is a soldier and can take care of herself. Yes, she is valuable to the Gotei 13 as the chief healer, but Mayuri is also valuable as the chief researcher that Gotei 13 and he also was assigned to go. They are captains and should be expecting to take on missions and use their skills to help.

    Also, to say Unohana shouldn't have been sent to HM because now she is not present for the battle in fake Karakura is a bit fallacious IMO. Firstly, SS did not know that Aizen was going to strike when he did. They were preparing for him to strike and (through the great deus ex machina that is Kubo) managed to have all of the preparations in place in the nick of time when he decided to attack. Secondly, SS forces did not anticipate Aizen being able to lock the rescue team in Hueco Mundo. They thought that they would complete their objective and then exit. If SS had the foresight to plan for such an outcome, perhaps they would have planned differently, but once again they underestimated Aizen and he threw a monkey wrench in their plans.

    If I were Yamamoto (and I were constrained to send four Gotei 13 captains like the thread starter outlined), I would send the four captains that Yamamoto selected. Each of them plays a key role and are good choices for the mission.

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    Re: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

    one thing I would like to add, yama realized the mistake of a hundred years ago and the save rukia assault. That is never underestimate your opponents and to send specialist instead of normal captains. He also took Ichigo into consideration and that he keeps on getting stronger after each fight.

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    Re: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

    i think yama made his decision based on the fact ichigo and co. defeated the four captains sent to HM.....byakuya and kenpachi by ichigo, mayuri by quincy boy, unohana and 4th division mainly by chad[that's why captains were brought in]...
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    Re: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

    Well, for the Unohana comments, there's still hope for Unohana v Yammi.....
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    -Barragan and Halibel arn't goners yet-Confirmed
    -Ukitake has an absorb and redirect type shikai (think baby nel vs. Dardonii's cero)-Confirmed
    -The VL army/group that Aizen supposedly has doesn't exist-Pending/Waiting for confirmation on Wonderweiss
    -The Vizards have ulterior motives, by ulterior I mean they arn't just going to be goody-two-shoes and help out the SS that betrayed them just to get back at Aizen-Pending

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    Re: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

    Quote Originally Posted by ganjabuss View Post
    i think yama made his decision based on the fact ichigo and co. defeated the four captains sent to HM.....byakuya and kenpachi by ichigo, mayuri by quincy boy, unohana and 4th division mainly by chad[that's why captains were brought in]...
    I'm thinking this is probably a joke, but since I don't see a smilie that gives off the jocular impression, I am not sure. If this isn't a joke, I don't think Yamamoto would make a decision like that. Plus, Chad didn't defeat anyone in the 4th division IIRC, and Unohana didn't even personally encounter any of SS intruders.

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    Re: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

    I don't think aizen made a wrong choice with any of the captains he chose.

    Unohana: She was a MUST. She is a perfect combination of caring healer and badass. If you want to break into an enemy fortress and save a bunch of people you need someone that can heal as much as destroy.

    Mayuri: The brains.

    Kempachi: The muscles, pure raw kickass. Given the nature of the mission I would think you need someone specifically to exterminate things.

    Byakuya: Well rounded fighter and arguably the strongest captain after the older captains. Not to mention his sister and VC are already in HM, he is bound to take responsability.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukisama View Post
    I'm thinking this is probably a joke, but since I don't see a smilie that gives off the jocular impression, I am not sure. If this isn't a joke, I don't think Yamamoto would make a decision like that. Plus, Chad didn't defeat anyone in the 4th division IIRC, and Unohana didn't even personally encounter any of SS intruders.
    I am pretty sure he confused the 4th with the 11th division. The 4th division doesn't even fight. Chad did defeat the entire 11th division with the exception of kempachi, ikkaku, yumuchika and yachiru(basically anyone that matters).
    Last edited by kkck; July 21, 2009 at 08:31 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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    Re: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukisama View Post
    I'm thinking this is probably a joke, but since I don't see a smilie that gives off the jocular impression, I am not sure. If this isn't a joke, I don't think Yamamoto would make a decision like that. Plus, Chad didn't defeat anyone in the 4th division IIRC, and Unohana didn't even personally encounter any of SS intruders.
    it was a joke definitely...defeat doesn't always have to come through fighting...i meant becoz of chad 4th division couldn't keep up with healing the injured...that's why yama told the caps to take action, u can see unohana smiling after yama gave that order...
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    Re: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

    Quote Originally Posted by ganjabuss View Post
    it was a joke definitely...defeat doesn't always have to come through fighting...i meant becoz of chad 4th division couldn't keep up with healing the injured...that's why yama told the caps to take action, u can see unohana smiling after yama gave that order...
    Actually, it seems that the reason Yamamoto had the captains engage was due to the severe condition in which Renji was found (refer here), which makes more sense as vice-captains are seen as being an eschelon above officers of low rank. When we see a close-up of Unohana's face here, it doesn't really seem to me like much of a smile, more like her usual calm expression.

    Anyway, it seems to have been a joke, and I don't really want this discussion to get off-topic on this.

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    Re: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

    I think yama's choice of captains were correct.
    The reason unohana was chosen was not only because she is the best healer but she is also implied to be extremely powerful. SO he needed to send a powerhouse into enemy territory just in case.

    As for hitsu not being able to use his bankai in HM. That is ridiculous. He stated as long as there is moisture in the air, his bankai can't be destroyed. So he can still use bankai, but it can't reform as many times as he usually could

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    Re: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raizen View Post
    I think yama's choice of captains were correct.
    The reason unohana was chosen was not only because she is the best healer but she is also implied to be extremely powerful. SO he needed to send a powerhouse into enemy territory just in case.

    As for hitsu not being able to use his bankai in HM. That is ridiculous. He stated as long as there is moisture in the air, his bankai can't be destroyed. So he can still use bankai, but it can't reform as many times as he usually could
    see while that would make sense i didnt take it to mean that purely because it would make his bankai ridiculously hax...but i guess after the hallibell fight...
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    Re: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

    Great topic choice. I agree, stupid idea to send the 4th division considering they only had Kira left and he doesn’t even count.

    Yama sent the 4 to get the Drifters out right? If it were me I'd also try to send the captains to wreak havoc as well, rock the bad guys a bit.

    1) Kenpachi, my first choice. He'd go on a rampage, I'd definitely rely on him to cause havoc in HM.

    2) Mayuri, to serve a dual role, the second to gather info about HM since SS doesn't have enough intel on HM.

    3) Soi Fon. Assuming Yama knows of her Bankai's abilities...I would order her to go BanKai upon getting the Drifters out, and nuke Las Noches. Boom. Base gone. Maybe aim at the foundations since the blast may not cover the whole thing. Destroy destroy destroy.

    4) Komamura, cause lots of havoc while rescuing the Drifters.

    I'd send Hanataro or Isane along just to back them up as healers.

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    Re: If you were Yama, who would you have sent to Hueco Mundo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aikidoka View Post
    Great topic choice. I agree, stupid idea to send the 4th division considering they only had Kira left and he doesn’t even count.

    Yama sent the 4 to get the Drifters out right? If it were me I'd also try to send the captains to wreak havoc as well, rock the bad guys a bit.

    1) Kenpachi, my first choice. He'd go on a rampage, I'd definitely rely on him to cause havoc in HM.

    2) Mayuri, to serve a dual role, the second to gather info about HM since SS doesn't have enough intel on HM.

    3) Soi Fon. Assuming Yama knows of her Bankai's abilities...I would order her to go BanKai upon getting the Drifters out, and nuke Las Noches. Boom. Base gone. Maybe aim at the foundations since the blast may not cover the whole thing. Destroy destroy destroy.

    4) Komamura, cause lots of havoc while rescuing the Drifters.

    I'd send Hanataro or Isane along just to back them up as healers.
    for my part, I agree with this 100%. Thats exactly how it should have been done. Imagine Aizen going back to Las Noches to find the post soi Fon/Komamura Fall out lol. Not to mention Mayuri could spread poison everywhere with his Bankai.
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