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- This thread is pretty much just to try to come up with a way to explain the big jumps in power that Kubo didn't give any explanation of.
I guess I'll try to explain Kenpachi's, and Ichigo's .
-- I think the best way to explain why Kenpachi became so strong a month after the SS arc is Ishida's analogy: http://read.mangashare.com/Bleach/ch...9/page016.html
Maybe Kenpachi still hasn't learned how to fully tap into his large reiastu reserve. Ichigo and Kenpachi seem to be horrible at controlling their reiastu and at kido. So Kenpachi may have just learned how to tap into it more. It's still a pretty large jump in power, but it's the best explanation I can think of.
There's also the possibility that Kenpachi and his zanpakatou stopped damaging each other's power. Or Kenpachi could have learned how to add his zanpakatou reiastu to his own like Ichigo did and he was just holding back against Nnoitora. It may even be a combination of these three explanations.
Kenpachi's reiastu being stronger than Ichigo may make sense if we consider a couple different things:
- Even for Ichigo it took a long time to extend his time wearing the mask and mastering it: http://read.mangashare.com/Bleach/ch...9/page010.html
-Ichigo may not have fully mastered the mask, so the increase in reiastu may not be as large as it could have been when he fought Grimmjaw.
-- I think the reason bankai Ichigo was able to fight evenly with an unreleased Ulquiorra after fighting Grimmjaw is his growing instinct:
It seems like Ichigo deepened his resolve using his instinct. Sharpening his resolve seems to be Ichigo's way of tapping more into his reiastu reserves.
Last edited by En Yang Ji; July 16, 2009 at 07:09 AM.
EEEERRR kenpachi did not got a power up, he was that strong from the beggining, do you seriously think that kenpachi who was already captain at the time urahara was made captain, 100 year ago in pendulum arc would not be able to grasp his reiatsu? You gotta be kidding me.
No one still get that kenpachi was playing with ichigo, in a very way the same that Hizoka does with gon in hunterxhunter, he could have killed him first glance, but he wants him to mature and have some epic fights. But every one goes with "ichigo was stronger than kenpachi in shikai" BS. Meaby now he would go all out on ichigo from the beggining in a new fight.
I thought the reason for Kenpachi's powerup was "lol I haz 2 arms to swing this thingy"
By and far Ichigo has gotten most if not all the unexplained powerups (or powerdowns). You could make a thread just about Ichigo's power fluctuations.
I also am not seeing the Ken power up, so he used two hands, naturally, more power. Why couldn't Ichigo do squat to Noitora, well, myself and many others think it's because 1) he was exhausted from fighting Grimmjow, and 2) he was powered down since the SS arc for unknown reasons (either, a plothole plotkai, or some reason that Kubo will explain later).
@Loki: Kenpachi was a lot stronger than he was during his fight with Ichigo, when he was fighting Nnoitora. Even before using 2 hands he was using a lot more power than before.
EDIT: Sorry if I sounded rude. I just realised I sound like an ass in some of my post...I'm really bad at communicating with people and I'm usually blunt, so it may come off as me being rude. Most of the time I try really hard not to be rude. So, I'm sorry if it came off that way.
Last edited by En Yang Ji; July 16, 2009 at 07:13 PM.
This is Bleach, a manga devoid of plot and logic, love it or drop it.
You could be right, but Kenpachi holding back that much wouldn't make sense to me. If he was always that strong he could have fought Ichigo evenly without taking off the eyepatch.
However, the equally big reason, I feel, for Ichigo being able to beat Kenpachi in that clash, is that Zangetsu was in a sense taking the wheel at that moment. He was going to his limit to make Ichigo win that bout, even doing something not part of his typical abilities in stopping his bleeding to the utmost of his capabilities, and I believe he was able to draw out much more of Ichigo's reiatsu than Ichigo could have done on his own. Add that on top of Zangetsu's main ability of building reiatsu up in the blade, and it was probably just barely enough to beat Kenpachi in that clash.
Of course, even assuming Kenpachi and his zanpakuto were more at odds with each other back then, had Kenpachi used a two-handed swing I have no doubt he would have won the clash.
People also feel that Ichigo has gotten weaker since he was in SS, and that may well be the case to some extent. Where he was fighting alongside Zangetsu in his soul before, now Shirosaki has overtaken him and Ichigo is all alone, occasionally fighting with what he sees as the borrowed power of a being who wishes for Ichigo to become weak, unlike Zangetsu who tries to make him stronger. Without the guiding light of Zangetsu shining brightly in his heart and mind, Ichigo's only companion in the dark is one who taunts him and hates him, and he's left to find resolve and spiritual strength in the most hopeless of situations all on his own. So it would make sense that this might have weakened him spiritually.
- That's a pretty good explanation. That might explain some what, why Ichigo turned into that new hollow form.
- What do you think about Hitsugaya? I thought it was kind of weird that he couldn't harm an unreleased 10th espada with his shikai, but a couple days later he's able to survive a battle with the released 3rd espada, with his bankai.
Last edited by En Yang Ji; July 16, 2009 at 03:48 PM.
Well, he had elemental neutralization against Halibel. And bankai is supposed to be 10x stronger than shikai when mastered (not saying he's mastered bankai, as I think he has huge potential, just too young ATM). But yeah, I do find it a little wierd that his shikai can't do squat to Yammi, and his first ice attack vs. Luppi was easily countered, but then he manages to hold off Halibel for a good amount of time.
The only thing I can think of to explain that, is Halibel was holding back.
Or she was just dumb to think that she could overwhelm Hitsu with her water attacks instead of going for physical attacks like she did to the ice clone.
But I do agree, we're bound to see some kind of super powerful ultimate water attack. I mean, Hitsu basically told us it would happen when he said that Halibel was waiting for the atmosphere to become more dense so she could use a ultimate attack.
Ken did not power up. U see, in the final clash of power, ichi was in full sync with his zanpkatou, zangetsu. They became like one. That is the equivalent of ichi using hollow powers since his zanpaktou is half hollow half shinigami. Even with all that power, he barely managed to tie with ken. That meant that ken is that much more powerful. Ichi also tapped into that power again during byakuya's fight but after that he has yet to do so again. SO there is no power-up at all. Ken was the same as he was
- When Shirosaki was fighting Byakuya, I don't think he was significantly more powerful than him or Ichigo. Byakuya took two Getsuga Tensho's at the same time and he could still fight. Ichigo was able to take a hit from Senbonzakura Kageyoshi, while just using his shikai, and still keep going. So both Ichigo, and Byakuya seemed to have comparable reiastu to each other and Shirosaki.
If Shirosaki was that much more powerful than Ichigo and Byakuya back than, he should have been able to knock Byakuya out with 2 Getsuga Tensho's.
- I don't Shirosaki's power were that strong until Ichigo learned how to use mask. It was the difference between Ichigo getting beat by an unreleased Grimmjaw and him beating his released form.