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Whitebeard will be killed
Ace will be executed
The Marines/World Government will be crushed
The Pirates will escape after saving Ace
Some other possible ending (please reply with it)
I think Inazuma was too sick from Magellan to fight anymore I think, Ivan said he did some stuff to make himself feel better but at a cost of life, I don't think he's gonna be too spring to get his head kicked in again XD
This latest chapter just showed off the Shichi quite well too, even Moria has more power now, prolly thanks to his last battle where he was still learning just how much he could do with his shadow powers.
Im a supporter for the world government and Shichibukai, only because I think it will create more chaos than Whitebeards side would cause if they win. But in any case, Ace will need to be rescued, this is what Luffy has set himself out to do, before it was to beat up croc, or to beat up the pigeon guy, and this is his next step to save Ace (in lieu of beating some one up).
Who said that anybody have to win? Maybe they just sae Ace and make a run for it? And WB dies protecting his crew. Somethhing like that
Actually, in this case, win the war " only " means that Ace survived. It does not mean that one of the both sides has to be completely destroyed : who expect each pirate or each marine to be killed ?
As I think Ace will not be executed, I guess I should say WB will win ; but that does not mean necessarily that WB will not die for example.
Yes exactly. Ace will be rescued, so the Pirates will win.
The WG's goal of the whole war is to eliminate every blood trace from the PK. If they fail then that means a loss for them, even if they manage to beat the WB Pirates.
The Pirates goal is to stop the execution. If they succeed it's a win for them.
yes they want to eliminate every blood relation to the PK but even if ace will be rescued but wb goes down/dies whatever i think that the marines will count that as a "win"
I agree that the WG win is about putting down WB. The WG is expecting WB to show up. It's like they know this is their chance to lure out WB. Otherwise, if their goal is only to eliminate the Roger's blood, they would've killed Ace as soon as they got him in ID. Not that everyone else knows about Ace's real blood. So why is the need to announce it for public execution? As far as the public is concerned, Roger's blood died with him. There's no need to make an example of the Marines are so serious about killing Roger's descendants.
As for WB, of course, the only win for him is to save Ace, since that's the reason why they went to Marineford in the first place anyway.
That's an interesting view on the current situation.
What would you consider Ace being saved, but WB dying as some predict? It's not really a tie for the pirate side imo and yet the WG would have failed miserably in publicly showing this desaster.
This time, they definitely want to put an end to piracy and show how strong they are ; this time, they want it to work : that is their goal.
Thus, their goal was not to kill WB. Nevertheless, as they said, in order to do the execution, they would fight WB if they had to (Sengoku's words). But I think it is obvious that they would have prefered not to fight against the " Ruler of the seas. " They would have prefered Ace to die without WB coming : that would have still shown that WB, the supreme pirate, could not have done/tried anything against them.
So now that the war has finally began and WB decided to move, they had to kill WB to achieve their goal because he is on their way.
That is how I see the thing. So, what will decide who will win the war is definitely the execution of Ace. Even if WB survived, if Ace is executed at the time he was supposed to, it will show that WB - the strongest man in the world - could not have saved Ace. All that matters is Ace's execution in due form.
I think it's easy like that to summarize.
Sure, they could have killed Ace in Impel Down, no even once Blackbeard handed im over and it would have been a success - but where's the victory in it if this execution was done in secret?
well you are almost correct about marines wanting to kill ace in public to show their power, but even if wb,luffy whatever succeed to free ace but instead the marines take down wb i think it's a "win" for them because as you said they will take down "the ruler of the seas".if they want to capture/kill ace they could have done this whenever they want but they couldn't because ace was under wb's protection.So yes typically if ace will be rescued the pirates win but if the marines take down wb they "win" and they can capture/kill ace whenever they want.
Well, the reason for the public execution is cause this is a (shounan) manga lol. This issue is handled in the same way in other manga, for example Cat's Eye; before every robbery they announce it public.
The public didn't know about Roger's son. Even Ace denied his relationship with his father. There was no need to announce all that hidden mystery followed by that public execution. They could have killed Ace in secret and later they could have faced WB.
To show their strenght? to whom? Killing one single guy, who hasn't really archived anything big doesn't show strenght, but taking out the current PK does!
Last edited by BlackHair; August 31, 2009 at 10:37 AM.
with Whitebeard about that.
BTW: But then why would Ace say in Impel Down that Luffy and he share the same blood of the World's Greatest Criminal...? May Luffy be one of Roger's lineage as well?
I actually don't want to draw that theory but...
You may do and say whatever you want now.
It's hard enough against Whitebeard and his crew alone - but the Marine and the Shichibukai against more than one Yonkou and their allies. I expect at least Shanks to know about Ace and Roger - don't ask me why but I believe him to be one of the smartest and best informed Yonkou.
BTW, Ace didn't achieve anything big? He was invited to become a shichibukai! That's nothing?! Look at those guys that are actually fighting right now...
What if Kuma is actually an ally of Dragon and he went to confirm the relationship between Luffy and Ace? That would make things worst for the World Government...taking on Dragon and Whitebeard at the same time? WG will fault.
Honestly Im confused by ur post. Some of what u wrote doesn't fit as a answer to my post.
global scale criminals.
I mean killing Ace in secret is a more easier way for the world government. Or at least killing him without announcing that he is the son of the PK. This way MHQ would have less opponents.
By taking out WB or the other Yonko, or Dragon would have better benefits than killing (current) Ace. I mean those guy have a mighty crew, are feared my many and are a hindrance for the WG. All Im saying is that killing Ace in public doesn't show strength!
WB is not the pirate king, but that guy is the definition of the current pirate age. He was hyped since his introduction. So I staed him as the PK. But that has of no relevance.
One Yonkou is serious enough. Fighting a second one after having defeated one is nearly impossible unless you're bringing up some real heavy guns. Now, they made Whitebeard attack them - neither Shanks nor Kaidou is about to support him nor will they take revenge in case WB dies/loses.
And Dragon...the CP9 already failed to kill him - and they were the WG's secret assassins.