What happen to the senju clan?

[caco]

The gretest shinobi in history was the 1st hokage, he was the leader of the senju clan. Where are they now?

All the senju we know are, the first, the second and tsunade the fifth. But like uchiha there must be a historie behind all.

Where do you think they are and what are they doing in this days?

[jdw]

The gretest shinobi in history was the 1st hokage, he was the leader of the senju clan. Where are they now?

All the senju we know are, the first, the second and tsunade the fifth. But like uchiha there must be a historie behind all.

Where do you think they are and what are they doing in this days?

I think that there is just Naruto & Tsunade, and Naruto represents the future of the Senju clan. So, one Senju is laid up in a coma and the other is trapped in a wooden prison, created by a shinobi infused with the genes of shodai

I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few other Senju sprinkled throughout Konoha.

[Destined_One]

The gretest shinobi in history was the 1st hokage, he was the leader of the senju clan. Where are they now?

All the senju we know are, the first, the second and tsunade the fifth. But like uchiha there must be a historie behind all.

Where do you think they are and what are they doing in this days?

<My Own prediction>

I tend to think that many of the clan's in Konoha, like the Yamanaka, Nara, Akimichi, Hatake, Sarutobi, Namikaze etc are descendants of the senju. Through 100 years of Konoha's history, the Senju have filtered down to a bunch of sub clan's, in which we have come to know in the current period. However, we still have those clans who stand alone, like the Uchiha, Hyuuga etc. It would make sense, that Naruto carries a direct ancestry of the Man who first started to preach the will of fire, and his relationship with Sasuke would be all that more symbolic.

Another reason why I believe this, is because Kishimoto has made no reference to the Senju being wiped out, and with Madara saying that the senju always held power, I tend to believe that the likes of Hiruzen/Minato are Senju as well. IMO 'The Senju' = Konoha (well the rest)

Having Hiruzen, Minato, Sakumo, Kakashi, Jiraiya, Tsunade, Orochi, Naruto etc all being at least descendants of the original Senju would hold the notion that they were a very powerful clan. And worthy of being the rivals of the Uchiha.

[caco]

I don´t think all the people in konoha is decendent from senju. A village is form from a lot of clans and usually those clans dont mix one with the others, maybe senju is the exeption but the only person related to senju is tsunade so don´t know.

I don´t think Sarutobi is the same as Senju, the 3rd was his diciple but he wasn´t from the same clan. Mandara said that they always held the power but i think in their ideals, because the 3rd had the same ideals as them and the 4th had the same ideals as the 3rd

[vintagemistakes]

I think the Senju were basically a mini Konoha before it became fashionable for clans to come together and form villages.

Since Senju basically means a "thousand hands" and were known as a clan of a thousand skills(one of the DB's said so)... its my belief that they were made up of smaller clans that banded together for protection and a common goal. This way of doing things would eventually become the village system they have in place today.

This theory is somewhat consitant with what we know about the way clans work in Naruverse. Since most clans seem to specialize in one ability and take it to the max.... the Senju were different. They mastered numerous abilities and were widely known for this. Being so diverse and achieving such high levels of success would truly be hard. Thats why I believe they were just a bunch of smaller clans, each with their own specialty, that banded together under one name.

So basically, Konoha is Senju. They just happen to not collectively go under the name Senju anymore... instead replacing it with the village name of Konoha.

[Destined_One]

I don´t think all the people in konoha is decendent from senju. A village is form from a lot of clans and usually those clans dont mix one with the others, maybe senju is the exeption but the only person related to senju is tsunade so don´t know.

I don´t think Sarutobi is the same as Senju, the 3rd was his diciple but he wasn´t from the same clan. Mandara said that they always held the power but i think in their ideals, because the 3rd had the same ideals as them and the 4th had the same ideals as the 3rd

All we know is Konoha was made of 2 clans, The Senju/Uchiha. if over the years, other clans integrated into Konoha (Similarly to Uzumaki Kushina of The Whirlpool country) Thus increasing the likely hood for Inter clan relations (Namikaze Minato, would support that clans do indeed procreate outside of there own), It indeed is possible that the Senju bloodline has filtered down into the many clans we see in Konoha today (Also is Dan a Senju? he was Tsunade's partner after all, so this could be another piece of evidence that clans did indeed integrate with each other). It could also explain, why we rarely see 3rd Generation Nara's or Yamanaka's. as they are new clans maybe only 2 generations old. The Uchiha and they Hyugaa would obviously be the exception.

Edit: hmm I like Vintages take on things. That would indeed make the most sense. Especially seeing how in a 100 years, we see the sprout of so many different clan's. Unless migration is a big thing in the Narutoverse. Or as I have said, they are but Senju's broken down into sub clans. Which in away is similar to Vintages point.. hmm Ill stop typing now.

[jdw]

I dislike the theory of the current clans in Konoha basically being the Senju. Of the clans we know of in Konoha, only one seems really interesting and powerful at all: Hyuuga (and maybe Sarutobi could be something worthwhile). The others, Yamanaka, Nara, Akimichi, Inuzuka, and Aburame seem pretty crappy and would make Senju seem like a trash clan.

I would like Senju to be much more than the current Konoha. A clan that was very powerful with different skills than the stuff currently possessed in Konoha.

[ameya730]

i think senju clan was the only clan who were pretty broadminded most of the other clan mostly kept to themselves even marriages taking place amongst themselves whereas the senju went ahead and fornicated more liberally. IMO yondaime was a senju and as you can see he married someone from an obscure country like whirlpool country no wonder they are not specifically know by their clan name

jokes apart i think that senju just decided to forgo their clan name and call themselves citizens of konoha after the village was formed the uchiha being the proud clan wanted to continue to associate themselves with their clan as well as konoha and since the uchiha were given this option other clans that joined as time passed also stuck to this option

[Destined_One]

I dislike the theory of the current clans in Konoha basically being the Senju. Of the clans we know of in Konoha, only one seems really interesting and powerful at all: Hyuuga. the others, Yamanaka, Nara, Akimichi, Inuzuka, and Aburame seem pretty crappy and would make Senju seem like a trash clan.

Although, not every Uchiha was powerful. Obito would stand as just another average Ninja in konoha, despite being Uchiha. Having all these clans being senju means that they had Ninja's capable of performing many different tasks, not just being beasts in battle. Intelligence, Recon, Tracking etc. Jiraiya, Minato, Hiruzen more than make up for the combat side of things. And remember there is still Namikaze clan (Naruto) and the Sarutobi (Konohamaru) which atm look to carry on the proud name of Konoha (Senju). If indeed the rest of Konoha is Senju, then it would emphasize that they were unrivalled by all but the Uchiha. Konoha is the strongest Ninja village, largely due to those very trashy clans you mention.

[jdw]

Although, not every Uchiha was powerful. Obito would stand as just another average Ninja in konoha, despite being Uchiha. Having all these clans being senju means that they had Ninja's capable of performing many different tasks, not just being beasts in battle. Intelligence, Recon, Tracking etc. Jiraiya, Minato, Hiruzen more than make up for the combat side of things. And remember there is still Namikaze clan (Naruto) and the Sarutobi (Konohamaru) which atm look to carry on the proud name of Konoha (Senju). If indeed the rest of Konoha is Senju, then it would emphasize that they were unrivalled by all but the Uchiha. Konoha is then strongest Ninja village, largely due to those very trashy clans you mention.

I see what you are saying but you say it as though people who are beasts in battle couldn't develop those skills (recon, intelligence, etc) anyway.

[vintagemistakes]

I dislike the theory of the current clans in Konoha basically being the Senju. Of the clans we know of in Konoha, only one seems really interesting and powerful at all: Hyuuga (and maybe Sarutobi could be something worthwhile). The others, Yamanaka, Nara, Akimichi, Inuzuka, and Aburame seem pretty crappy and would make Senju seem like a trash clan.

I would like Senju to be much more than the current Konoha. A clan that was very powerful with different skills than the stuff currently possessed in Konoha.

But... isn't the reason why Konoha is great and powerful because of all the clans working together and are complimenting one another?

I mean, anyone of those clans you mentioned as being crappy just may be crappy alone, but when you match them up with other clans that can exploit their strengths and guard against their weaknesses - don't they become super strong than...

So if the Senju were truly super strong wouldn't they have to be built like Konoha. A group of shinobi that can deal with a wide array of specialized clans and rise to the top.

[jdw]

But... isn't the reason why Konoha is great and powerful because of all the clans working together and are complimenting one another?

I mean, anyone of those clans you mentioned as being crappy just may be crappy alone, but when you match them up with other clans that can exploit their strengths and guard against their weaknesses - don't they become super strong than?

So if the Senju were built from smaller clans, they would be like a modern day Konoha... a clan built from members complimenting one anothers abilities.

But in the end there really wouldn't be anything special to Senju other than saying "we've been here the whole time that you have been reading about our crappy ninja children, nothing new to see here!"

Also it would be lame if everyone in Konoha except for the Uchiha were part of Senju. I would like for Senju to be shown as a small clan with many skilled shinobi who each possessed a wide array of jutsu. I want Senju to be its own thing. The people who were at the heart of Konoha that brought all these other clans in.

[Xiraiya]

and Aburame seem pretty crappy and would make Senju seem like a trash clan.

I disagree on account of Shino being easily one of the most brutal fighters in the story, any time that guy fights he completely owns his opponent.

And even though it's filler, anyone who can own a fleet of warships as hard as Shino did is okay in my book.


Anyway, honestly I always considered the Senju as "Saiyans" as in I always felt that instead of a clan, that they seem much more like a race of people who are generally gifted in all area's.

So it would be logical to assume most of Konoha are descended from the Senju in one way or another.

Though Hyuuga must have already been living in the fire country and joined with Konoha when it was founded.

The lesser clans, such as Nara and the like I could definitely see them being Senju descendants too, it's just that, that particular family line focused and mastered one kind of Ninjutsu rather than learning a bit of everything.

The Hatake family, such as Kakashi really do seem like they're Senju related given their general talent being insane and Kakashi learning everything.

While I'm typing this I just realized the Senju thing makes sense for Hatakes when you look at the relationship Obito and Kakashi had at first before they were friends.

[~Joshua~]

I disagree on account of Shino being easily one of the most brutal fighters in the story, any time that guy fights he completely owns his opponent.

And even though it's filler, anyone who can own a fleet of warships as hard as Shino did is okay in my book.


Anyway, honestly I always considered the Senju as "Saiyans" as in I always felt that instead of a clan, that they seem much more like a race of people who are generally gifted in all area's.

So it would be logical to assume most of Konoha are descended from the Senju in one way or another.

Though Hyuuga must have already been living in the fire country and joined with Konoha when it was founded.

The lesser clans, such as Nara and the like I could definitely see them being Senju descendants too, it's just that, that particular family line focused and mastered one kind of Ninjutsu rather than learning a bit of everything.

The Hatake family, such as Kakashi really do seem like they're Senju related given their general talent being insane and Kakashi learning everything.

While I'm typing this I just realized the Senju thing makes sense for Hatakes when you look at the relationship Obito and Kakashi had at first before they were friends.

I'm interested in what you have to say about Obito and Kakashi's friendship before they were friends. Care to expound on that?

[DARK]

My guess is that the majority of the Senju Clan is still residing in Konoha. The only confirmed members of the Senju Clan are Hashirama, Tobirama, Tsunade, and Nawaki. (Naruto and one of his parents may be speculated to be part of this clan as well). Well, as far as the family goes, all the Senju mentioned san Tsunade are deceased. And assuming Tsunade has no children or grandchildren of her own, she is the last descendant of the clan. Some people are speculating that Naruto is a member of this clan too (indirectly), but we only know so much about his two parents... Besides, if Tsunade were Naruto's grandma, wouldn't anybody in the series mention this?