Kirabi and the Raikage vs Pain

[Oathencrantz]

Fully transformed 8-tails was not impressive to me at all. He showed no speed or intellect. All he did better than 4TK was that his blast was i guess stronger, but by how much? Moreover, if fat pein is still alive, he could mostly likely absorb whatever blast 8-tails can send. And then there is also the moon.
IMO fully transformed killer is at 6TK and that is pushing it already.

Yes, killer and raikage would be a strong team. But J-man got far with 3 bodies not b/c of just his own skills, he needed MA and Pa too. it was their genjutsu that caught the pein bodies. J-man speed and powers did little to stop the pein bodies, and that was only 3 of them
Also, one ST from pein was able to break the huge bones of BOSS summons. It also took out a team of jonins and chuunins with one hit. So yeah, killer and the raikage too would be screwed

Mate, as you even said yourself, fully transformed Hachibi only showed his super blast, so we didn't have a chance to judge what else he could do in that state. Afterall, he wanted to end things quickly.

As for Jiraiya, Ma and Pa, although I hate to say this, they are his tools. Jiraiya summoned them, came up with the initial plan of using genjutsu, and gave the elder toads enough leeway to utilize their great genjutsu. So it is partly due to Jiraiya's skills and intelligence.

[Raizen]

Mate, as you even said yourself, fully transformed Hachibi only showed his super blast, so we didn't have a chance to judge what else he could do in that state. Afterall, he wanted to end things quickly.

As for Jiraiya, Ma and Pa, although I hate to say this, they are his tools. Jiraiya summoned them, came up with the initial plan of using genjutsu, and gave the elder toads enough leeway to utilize their great genjutsu. So it is partly due to Jiraiya's skills and intelligence.

1- The big form of 8-tails didn't seem very agile to me. But that is just my opinion

2- The toads acted on their own, they didn't need J-man to give them directions. It was also the toads who came up with the genjutsu plan. I am not here to say anything bad about J-man, I love him, but the frogs did help very much. Also, J-man had info on pein since he was his student and J-man didn't encounter deva pein

[Lord_Orochimaru]

They don't know Pain's secret, and all of Pain's bodies are at full strength. Kirabi is restricted to his Three Tailed State. Who wins?

1st you shouldn't all out pain and restrict kirabi cause that just wipe it out of the fight one time.

[juUnior]

hmm, hard to tell actually. But I will not restrict KillerBee to not go full demon, if he is the one of the people who truly control the bijuu. It's the way of his abilities, it's like saying Deva Path can't use Chibaku Tensei :x

After analysing it more thoroughly, I'll go with Pain. God Realm is way to much hax. He could end it instantly if he wanted by using Chibaku Tensei, which would be the end of both Kirabi and Raikage. The only way I see them winning is by them on a random impulse both going straight for God Realm. But why would they do that without knowing his powers? Before they would have figured out God Realm's weakness and power, they'd be dead imo. Pain's only possible downfall would be if he played around with them for abit. But if they're going for the kill right away then I'll definitely go with Pain. Nagato's jutsu "Pain" is just that good.

Agreed.

To me even KillerBee in full demon form is nothing to Deva Path - he took three<!> big toads with just his Shinra Tensei; I know that demon is demon, but what KillerBee shown is nothing which can't be beaten by Chibaku Tensei or some nice pwning of bigger Shinra Tensei - I wonder if Hachibi would be able to sustain it <I know, I know, 6 tails Naruto did forced it, but it was just a normal ST activated>. Kumo bros are awesome, but without knowing the secret behind the Pain and not knwoing the abilities of each of the bodies they are just screwed. In the end Nagato would be the winner.
But if Kumo bros knew the secret of Pain and his bodies, than I think they would be able to defeat them - it all depends on how much they would knew from the beginning of the fight. In recent fight in the manga Raikage is the person who to me seems to like to have some before intel on enemy's abilities - if he had such on Pain, than it would be a hella of the fight.
<but really - I'm confused Raikage and Killer Bee are just REALLY good, not that The Six Paths of Pain aren't, but I see this fight as something equall in some way, dunno ^^">

[kkck]

I still have my doubts about chibaku tensei really being capable of sealing the full hachibi. IMHO 8tailed kyubi is roughtly the same power(perhaps weaker) than the full hachibi and yet the 8tailed kyubi showed no real problem escaping(until minato appeared). Even if the hachibi is trapped by chibaku tensei, in the worst case scenario he could release a chakra ball and break out of it.

[Evil_Eyes]

Pein Sama. No contest. C'mon, you have an ox and a human who thinks like an ox, against a GOD. Time for some beef jerky, methinks.

[juUnior]

I still have my doubts about chibaku tensei really being capable of sealing the full hachibi. IMHO 8tailed kyubi is roughtly the same power(perhaps weaker) than the full hachibi and yet the 8tailed kyubi showed no real problem escaping(until minato appeared). Even if the hachibi is trapped by chibaku tensei, in the worst case scenario he could release a chakra ball and break out of it.

Ahh, that's a good point, indeed! Now that you mentioned that I realise that I make a mistake - if 8-tail Kyuubi was able to break out from CT, why would 8-tail Hachibi don't? The full transformed Hachibi should be at least as powerful as Kyuubi on 8-tails, just because his second in command Probably right now I don't have any doubts - Hachibi would be able to break from CT, why not, hyhy ^^
btw. no wonder that the author of this thread did concern about limiting KillerBee to 3-tails mode xP HM3 would be without doubt defeated by CT xD

Ok, so that's 2 people, kkck and me; someone else would like to give an opinion about full Hachibi against Chibaku Tensei? Maybe I will change my mind again xd

[ninjabot]

Both Hachibi and Raikage powered up could win. Naruto's HM speed only took Pein out when he was attacking him from behind, and both of them outclass HM Naruto in speed greatly. Hachibi can run interferance while Raikage thrashes distracted bodies. Sure, they can all see from different directions and share said sight, but that sure didn't help Asura Realm against Naruto.

Super Shinra Tensei is really the only chance for Pein to win this fight. Think about it: the giant summons will all be manhandled with Taijutsu. Absorbing realm can't absorb Taijutsu. Human Realm can't touch someone surrounded by Raiton or a bijuu cloak, so no soul stealing. Asura Realm has missiles and a tail...but can his missiles seek the enemy? Even if they could, could they seek someone moving as fast as Hachibi and his bro?

Then there's Hell Realm. How does he manage to repair a destroyed body when he's got 2 speed demons not letting up? The answer is he doesn't.

I maintain that Pein is screwed against ANY S-rank nin that manages to learn his secret. Akatsuki is full of ninja that could beat him, save for Hidan, Zetsu...and MAYBE Deidara...

[kkck]

Technically pein never really did match up to naruto's HM speed. At least I do not remember seeing that. In a direct confrontation, as long as naruto had HM naruto had a considerable edge. I would think HM naruto is even faster than the raikage and his brother.

[Oathencrantz]

HM Naruto may be around the same speed or a little more than Killer Bee (I think I'm edging towards Naruto a tiny bit), but I don't think he's faster than Raikage. I'm not taking away from anyone, just saying.

[kkck]

I really don't think the raikage is superior in speed even to his little brother. He is insanely fast but what makes him such an absurd case is his lightning technique. He can react to attacks as soon as the attacks are cast which creates the illusion of increased speed(kinda like a sharingan).

[ninjabot]

Technically pein never really did match up to naruto's HM speed. At least I do not remember seeing that. In a direct confrontation, as long as naruto had HM naruto had a considerable edge. I would think HM naruto is even faster than the raikage and his brother.

Are you sure about that? How many times did Naruto beat a Pein body to the punch with HM activated and without the aid of the frogs? Also, how many times did he disappear from sight, leaving behind only an afterimage? How many times has ANYONE done that in Naruto? Even when Naruto has the Kyuubi shroud activated, we've never seen him do what Raikage did to Sasuke's Amaterasu. Or anyone for that matter.

And Pein was able to keep an eye on HM Naruto's movements. Sasuke could follow Raikage and Hachibi, but he has a Sharingan which makes the feat possible.

[3c]

Really as I've said before I believe it's all over if Pain uses Chibaku Tensei. If Pain uses Chibaku Tensei in the start/mid-fight he'll be able to make it far larger than what he did against Naruto, where he already was very low on chakra. And how would Kirabi escape? Sure he may be able to escape like Naruto did with brute force, though I sort of imagine Kyuubi being far superior in that area. But if he can't then a chakra blast is his only option. And a point blank explosion of that magnitude should destroy even Kirabi himself. On top of this it's not even certain any of these escape options may work. Also Pain's Chou Shinra Tensei should be enough to obliterate even Kirabi in his full Bijuu form. I really see no hope for him. Kirabi and Raikage are both very strong, one of the top strongest in the manga so I'm not underestimating them. But as I've said before I see no hope for them. Pain is just that strong.

[Oathencrantz]

I really don't think the raikage is superior in speed even to his little brother. He is insanely fast but what makes him such an absurd case is his lightning technique. He can react to attacks as soon as the attacks are cast which creates the illusion of increased speed(kinda like a sharingan).

But see, that's the thing. Even when the Raikage doesn't don his raiton shroud, he's extremely fast. Example? When he broke white Zetsu's neck. There was a table seperating the two, & Zetsu just barely had enough time to THINK about Raikage's speed, let alone react.

[kkck]

But see, that's the thing. Even when the Raikage doesn't don his raiton shroud, he's extremely fast. Example? When he broke white Zetsu's neck. There was a table seperating the two, & Zetsu just barely had enough time to THINK about Raikage's speed, let alone react.

I know about that but I still think kirabi is the faster one. I mean, kirabi basically murdered sasuke without using anything that would create an illusion of increased speed while the raikage has yet to land a mortal blow on his own even though he has no lag whatsoever between what goes on in the fight and his reaction to it.