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Who do you think would win beteen the two?
On one hand we get barrgan. He has a massive ax for melee combat and the ability to manipulate time to some extent. In close range he seems to have a form of aura which causes anything around him to age in the short term. This was seen when he slowed soifon down, and when released the ability seemed to become even stronger. After releasing just being close to things made them rot, even the rocks omaeda threw at him rotted away. Then he has his most powerful ability, respira. It can basically break away any form of kido and if it infects the body, the only possible way to survive is to mutilate yourself. Should respira touch your torso, you are esentially done for. The speed respira has also seems to be quite something, soifon could not scape it for her life and hachi ultimately failed miserably when trying to avoid it(of course he did make the best of it lol)
On the other hand we have hitsugaya. He has the power to control water and ice. He also has the power to create a type of ice which won't melt and even start covering the target on contact(see the battle he had against harribel and gin). He can also by all means control weather.
So, what do you think? Could barragan actually age water(we know water has been water for millions of years right)? Or will hitsu see an early end to his youth?
It has been discussed that water, fire...basically elements are hard to age. They are part of nature, they don't age...so hitsu's win 100%...
It's a hard call if barragan can affect ice as well...but still hitsu...barragan is stupid and arrogant, whilst hitsu is a genius...
Good point, Benelori, my neighbour. I also say Hitsu, though not so resolutely. Even if his weapon doesn't age, he still can age. Remember, Soifon lost an arm 'cause she couldn't outrun the respira. It would be cool if Baragan released a light respira, hit Toshiro with it and he became old man
Last edited by deanmilanov; September 15, 2009 at 05:59 PM.
I'm just waiting for the Hitsuhaters to realise this thread is here and descend upon it like hyenas. Thats the only problem I have with this thread-it will be eventually be hijacked by the vast quantity of people who cant see past their irrational hatred of an anime character and ignore the fact that hes actually pretty damn good.
With my rant over, I think I will give this one to Hitsugaya. Just as Barragan was the worst possible opponent for Soi Fon, people like Hitsugaya and Yamamoto should be the worst opponent for Barragan. I cant come up with a logical way to explain how he could age ice or water. These are not things that have a natural progression in time-they will not change their form with time rather they can only be affected by other conditions such as temperature over which Barragan has no control.
With that said, his respire shouldnt be able to protect him and since he has nothing else I see him getting frozen quite quickly.
Then again, kido shouldnt age either as from what I know its basically energy and energy surely cant "age". The fact barragan could age it seemed a stupid plot hole designed to make Hachi(or any good kido user) sweat against Barragan when they should have just curbstomped him.
PS:it's benelori, not behelori
Last edited by benelori; September 15, 2009 at 05:47 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Barragan has this with the utmost of ease. Hitsuguya isn't on Hachi's level don't forget. Just because Hachi beat someone doesn't mean a little kid captain can. Theres a reason 2 vizards went to help Hitsuguya and only one went to help Soifon. The difference in strength.
Okay, that was cold but listen guys. I reckon Barragan can age that ice since he can age kidou which is pure energy. In the Bleach Universe Barragan did say nothing lasts forever, so we'll have to assume he didn't forget about ice when he said that. It is conceivable that Hitsuguya's ice is held together with reiatsu because normal ice wouldn't hold those shapes he makes. I look at kidou as a pure form of reiatsu and Barragan could age that. I bet he turns Hitsuguya's ice into something that crumbles like feta.
Last edited by Hachigeneral; September 15, 2009 at 05:59 PM.
Hitsugaya if Ice can't age (especially so if said ice allows him to defend with the wings), because Barragon is retarded. Barragon, obviously, if it can. That's pretty much how any matchup is going to work unless his stupidity hits it's height, which is what it took anyway to actually take him down.
As i said previously there is no logical explaination why ice would age-water or ice cannot be compelled to change form over time. The only thing that can force such a change is a change in temperature which is outside Barragan's control. There really is no reasonable reason why Barragan should be able to age ice. If he isnt able to age it, then he wont be able to stop it. Hitsugaya's strenght is immense, dont fall into the trap of thinking it is not. If his bankai can give Starrk a wtf face(Starrk who is stronger than Barragan) then his bankai is truly impressive and coupled with its elemental properties I see Barragan at a disadvantage.
On one hand, we have water, which will probably remain water for the next few millions of years. On the other hand, that water is being created and powered up by hitsugaya's reiatsu. I honestly have not idea on whether respira would affect the reiatsu within hitsugayas water.
energy can also age, in that it loses frequency. gamma rays; dangerous, but they eventually lose potentcy and form radiowaves; harmless. and there is the theory (might be a law, not sure) that the universe tends towards entropy over time, so any construct (which barriers are) will break down over time. basically, it wasn't a plot hole, time is absolute (im not saying baragan is,...cuz he's dead), but the idea behind his power is. fire is tricky, and ill probably be looking into that, cuz im a loser like that.
anyways, im not saying this to be like "oh baragan is unstoppable except for hachi's cheats". rather, the more i think about how broken barragan's ability is, i dislike the character for it. as for the fight, if there is any way for hitsu to get past that ability, he will win for sure IMO, 100%. barragan's arrogance undermines any hint of skill or intelligence he has completely, making him unbalanced (unstoppable if you have no means against him, and a joke if you do). thats how i see it anyway.
EDIT: sorry, i really dont want to give barragan any more support, but he is pretty f*cking durable after that point blank nuke, so, just to put that in ur calculations
Last edited by xXAshisogiJizoXx; September 15, 2009 at 07:21 PM.
PS: fire (aka yama) would rape barragan. the most his respira could do against a blaze is turn a slow-burning-demise into a quick death
I'll be honest though, Hitsuguya has some spunk. I'd say the fight would go like Soifon's. Basically long enough for him to use his best attacks, then gas out, then have Hachi come and save him. Face it guys, Barragan is hard to beat, I dont get why people won't admit it. The way he was written makes him hard to beat, as in only a specific character can take him out.
Ya know what though, maybe Barragan would finish Hitsuguya faster than Soifon considering he wouldn't be able to dodge the respira as well as her. She is confirmed faster than him IMO. I guess this is another Stomp in Barragan's favor....give the Hollow King a challenge please.
Last edited by Hachigeneral; September 15, 2009 at 08:04 PM.