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One still has the freedom not to like it of course, but simply bashing is even more annoying than being woken up by the neighbours' baby at midnight for its first weeks.
But it's completely right that you need to like at least some pervy aspects of manga while reading especially both One Piece and Fairy Tail and become comfortable with them. Oda openly shows his affection to well-shaped characters while still being able to make jokes about that, so does Mashima. And both are great fans of Toriyama who... well invented characters named "Norimaki Senbe" and "Muten Roshi", while the first like ten chapters of Dragon Ball aren't actually SFW as it wouldn't get into the Jump of today...
I can understand if people say that a series runs too long, and one feels that he has to move on. The personal taste changes. Some goes with food. I used to hate spinach, but nowadays it's actually become one of my favorite vegetable (if prepared right ) But it would be great if people then behaved like the adults they express they would become instead of appearing as ranting teenagers only. And this doesn't only refer to people bashing One Piece - such arrogancy is quite a disease nowadays that spreads in all Shounen forums once the series achieve a certain grade of popularity.
And I think that is what is to complain about: The bashers.
I've never been able to identify with the complaint of length. So what, you'll have something that you have more to go with for awhile. I love that. I've literally read enough manga to say I've read into a five digit figure worth of chapters. Hell, a favorite of mine titled Hajime no Ippo is over 1000 chapters and still going. It actually works really well because it really keeps the momentum of a good showdown going.
I had been online reading manga for seven years before I started One Piece in 2010, and before that I had considered it the lowest of the big 3 Shounens. It was because of the art and the 4kids dub. The early parts of One Piece make for a good shounen, but One Piece didn't find greatness until they had reached Grand Line. I was in the middle of the Skypiea arc when I realized I was in love with it, and it has always delivered great stuff to me. When I tell people about it I tell them to trust me and stick with it. They'll love it before long.
I have no problem with One Piece being at the top in Japan. That's cool. My point is, every anime/manga has an annoying fanbase....and the most annoying thing any fanbase has to say (or at least IMO) is "_____is the best series ever, *insert authors name* is a genius and no other story can even be compared to it!"
So why do I say One Piece has the worst fanboys? (And note I said fanboys, not fans. I'm not applying this to everyone who is a fan of One Piece, not to mention that would apply to me too. The One Piece forum here is great actually, I only really see fanboys on comments in Youtube and other places that are broader than one manga forum) Because One Piece fanboys simply have the best ammunition. They have the best argument to back up their claim. Like for example, take baseball. The Yankees have generally outperformed all other teams in both leagues by an absurd margin. Because of that, if an obnoxious Yankee fan says your team sucks, he can always throw in your face the fact that his team has won the World Series several more times than your team has. It's just easier to be an asshole about something when you can say it's number 1.
Also One Piece fanboys have a tendency to go into discussions or videos for other series and say "This chapter was good, but it cannot be compared to this weeks One Piece Chapter!" or, probably the most annoying: "This was low quality. *Insert authors name* needs to take notes from Oda.* It's obnoxious, and it does turn some people off from One Piece(at least in my experience with people not wanting to get into it other than art reasons and thinking that horrible 4kids adaptation is an accurate depiction of what One Piece really is). They like other series, but may want to pick up One Piece and then encounter some guy who rips on their current favorite series and says it cannot be compared to One Piece. That fellow then either never gives One Piece the time of the day, or gets into it but comes in with a bias against it due to butthurt from said fanboy's comment, and ends up "disliking it". Of course, the former probably happens for every series, but I don't see much of the latter with any authors other than Oda, except for maybe Hiro Mashima when talking about his work ethic. Oda after all gets a lot of respect, which is very much deserved of course.
It's really dumb that some people judge an entire series based on stupid comments like that, but it is one reason why One Piece gets hate, and it's success pisses off those people who are annoyed over stupid comments like that even further. So it's butthurt amplified by envy of One Piece's attention or recognition, if that makes sense lol. Perhaps those people are fanboys of other series, and it's just fanboy backlash from OP fanboys. Alright, I think I've used the word fanboy enough times today....
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Last edited by exacta; April 05, 2014 at 08:33 AM.
Only idiots use the "it's #1" argument. The rest is a description of fanboys being fanboys and applies to every kind of media/artist.
Luckily I don't see those idiotic comments, maybe it stems from me not watching Youtube reviews made by weird people, while also ignoring YT comments, which should be ignored to begin with. They represent the lowest common denominator of intelligence in the internet. :P
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What I say to people who hate OP is that it's not at least bad like HxH, Toriko, and Fairy Tail seem to be, overall.
Last edited by exacta; April 05, 2014 at 07:16 PM.
I've consistently known people who said they didn't like One Piece. Then I pressured them to endure the first 30-40 episodes (people always want to just watch it rather than read it). They start with many of the same complaints about it looking stupid, childish, etc. But if they watch enough of it, they get hooked.
The series starts off kinda slow, and is really boring in the anime... since the animation is really poor (hardly any frames, overuse of still shots, etc) and the pacing is more drawn-out than even old Dragonball Z episodes. That turns a lot of people off.
But the series has a strong emotional core with endearing characters and adventuresome story arcs. That's what stays with people. And it's the reason why people who once disliked it end up liking it eventually. I'm one of those people, too.
What I tell to people who hate One Piece?
- Please do us all a favor and k*ll yourself.
post from exacta above and see how you have confirmed part of the bad view of OP fans. Thanks for giving us a bad reputation.
I try and draw relations between OP and things that they actually do like to show them that there is some common ground. I also like to link AMV's. I keep the funny videos away as most of OP humor requires context.
I ask what kind of drugs they are on and ask where i can find them.
Good luck finding something better. One Piece is amazing.
You know nothing John Snow.
Really, I say nothing. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Don't pat yourselves on the back for having all those witty comments ready just in case someone dares not to agree with your taste.
Having an opinion doesn't make it good, right or educated and can be changed for the better or worse . Witty comments have little chance of convincing others though.
Lets not wander off topic and into insults, discuss the issue at hand with more argumentation please!