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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
the fight is pointless because Shunsui beat Stark and is proven stronger
We don't even know his bankia so how could this thread exist?
Also I think many people are forgetting that Shunsui was going to use his bankai vs the 1st espada because he was feeling the pressure however Ukitake assisted him before he could do so.
Shunsui never had the intention to use bankai. He told Starrk no matter how many cero you shoot I won't use bankai. The only time Shunsui's bankai ever came up was when Juushiro said "since you don't seem to want to use bankai"... Shunsui then said he'd use it because Juushiro was implying about it. But then he told him it wasn't something to be used with his peers around. In the end he didn't need it at all. He beat Starrk pretty easily once he got into the fight and his games were introduced. I doubt Ulquiorra would fair any better, in fact I'd say he'd do worse.
Well it was quite obvious that Ulquiorra is weaker. Manga suggested itself that Espada's strength is ranked according to the ammount of Reiatsu they posses. And Ulquiorra was far from being the strongest in any of his releases.
He himself stated to Ichigo that even if Ichi beats himself, there are still several Espada who are stronger than himself... So how can people still argue about this.
And Shunsui was obviously out of the mood against Starrk and only, when his comrades (Love and Rose) were in danger, he used his Shikai to finish this fight. Hell, even KJubo stated that with his Bankai Shunsui could win against Aizen, so obviously he was stronger than Starrk. So how come Ulquiorra can be his opponent and have a chance to win.
Ulq was trash Yammi said so and he was zero so... Lol Ulq would lose to Shunsui. Starrk wasn't holding back in terms of technique but he fought mostly without killing intent. Ulq has poor feats since most of what he did was linked with Ichigo who at the time was having emotional problems as well as he was power inhibited. Shunsui even had the benefit that Kubo hinted that his bankai was pretty good. Able to defeat Aizen even under hypnosis.
I don't even get why people consider Ulquiorra the strongest Espada, when everything and even Ulquiorra himself states otherwise.
Even Ulquiorra says that he is weaker than Hallibel, so no way he can be the strongest.
They just go by his lance and the power it showed by 'blowing up some sand' and the fact he had a second stage or release. Yammi had how many stages? And it took two captains to beat him.
Not to mention when Kenpachi and Byakuya came back they looked fucking terrible (3/4 dead lol)
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Well, no matter how you look at it even though Aizen never saw his Segunda Etapa, he would still now his maximum power, because he was the one who granted him with it...Quote:
Also even the same Ulquiorra told that first three Espada are stronger than him, so how come we can argue with him?
From what I recall ulquiorra said that there were 3 others ranked above him. How does that hold any relevance if aizen had not seen ulquiorra's full power? Not to mention that that did not even consider yami as cero espada at that time...
So kkck, are you of the sentiment then that Ulq was likely the strongest Espada? And somehow I really doubt that Aizen didn't know about the second stage...lol Aizen. The dude even knew about Grantz and he was the genius of group, I doubt Ulq truly kept that stage quiet from him.