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    Is Guts really human???

    Let's be honest, his abilities are far beyond even the strongest humans. And let's not forget about the extreme circumstances of his birth. His teeth and ears are not normal either. There are other things that can hint to him possibly being some sort of half-breed, possibly fighting against a demon side of himself. I even have a theory that Guts is the son of Nosferatu Zodd. Zodd seems to be fixated on Guts, Zodd looks similiar to Guts in his human form, and this pic: http://view.thespectrum.net/series/b...me+06&page=109

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    Re: Is Guts really human???

    You make a rather interesting point, I haven't really thought about it, but Gutz does bear a rather "convincing" look-a-like to Zodd, you should put that in ur sig or something as a future prediction "gutz is the son of Zodd/a half-breed human/demon- pending" huge kudos if u got something like that right.

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    Re: Is Guts really human???

    Its interesting but I'm inclined to disagree. Guts has been fighting impossible odds as a human, which makes the story interesting. He is supposed to represent the pinnacle of human capability.
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    Re: Is Guts really human???

    Quote Originally Posted by llamapie View Post
    Its interesting but I'm inclined to disagree. Guts has been fighting impossible odds as a human, which makes the story interesting. He is supposed to represent the pinnacle of human capability.
    I agree, which is why the theory would be such a shock. The thought of something like that happening is pretty inconceivable due to the fact that the manga puts so much emphasis on the fact that he is a human fighting off of pure guts and determination. But let's not be naive, humans can only do so much, regardless of his/her will and determination. Guts is unlike anyone in the entire manga, and not just physically. His rage can be considered as the manifestation of a demon. When his rage speaks to him, it seem like more of a demon than some of the demons we have seen. Whether you believe that he is the offspring of a demon or not is debatable, but there is no doubt that he has a demon within himself.

    Besides that, Guts is so similar to Zodd, even excluding the physical attributes. Is there anyone who loves to fight as much as Zodd and Guts? Really, they are the most hardcore fighters in the manga. Is their multiple encounters just by chance? Zodd didn't have to save Guts. From my understanding, Griffith's fate would've been the same with or without Guts.

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    Re: Is Guts really human???

    I have to agree with OP here. I just watched the movies and had the same thought. I only came here becouse I was hoping a comic book out there somewhere would tell me I was right and Guts really was the son of Zod.

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    Re: Is Guts really human???

    Though the concept/idea is rather interesting, I find it kind of distasteful as far as the current story has been concerned thus far.

    I think some people may be taking the whole thing too literal. Also, a lot of the things may be metaphorical (such as when he is having the dream/nightmare and the demon face shows a resemblance to Guts). I am more inclined to side with the fact that Guts has inner demons (which is obvious), rather than being a physical demon. I just think it kinda kills the mood of the development of the character (at least for me). As far as the physical appearance of Guts, I don't really see the resemblance there. He has looked like the other human characters as far as I can tell, but maybe I'll look a bit closer next time.

    Plus, I figured he gained a lot of "strength" from being in the intersection (or whatever it is technically called), between the worlds, for so long. I think I recall reading someone in a chapter saying that, proposing the idea of it. (here http://grab.by/5op6). Though it is just a proposition/thought, I feel that it is more tasteful than him being a demon himself. Of course, it always open to anything really.

    Also, Zodd is fixated on Guts because Zodd's whole deal is fighting with the strongest opponent he can find. As of now, Guts is one of them (as well as SK). I don't think it has anything to do with Guts being his offspring.

    I won't discourage or ignore the idea of it, but I just find it to be too speculative (hah, I dunno how far we can take this idea, or any other for that matter, since it's still a work-in-progress, and our world isn't "Berserk" world, so it's hard to actually make strong speculations). I would just be more pleased without any demon-human inbreeding associated with Guts; takes the flavor out of it. But then again, anything can happen. Either way it turns out, the overall story will still be amazing.
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    Re: Is Guts really human???

    Quote Originally Posted by Fourier View Post
    Though the concept/idea is rather interesting, I find it kind of distasteful as far as the current story has been concerned thus far.

    I think some people may be taking the whole thing too literal. Also, a lot of the things may be metaphorical (such as when he is having the dream/nightmare and the demon face shows a resemblance to Guts). I am more inclined to side with the fact that Guts has inner demons (which is obvious), rather than being a physical demon. I just think it kinda kills the mood of the development of the character (at least for me). As far as the physical appearance of Guts, I don't really see the resemblance there. He has looked like the other human characters as far as I can tell, but maybe I'll look a bit closer next time.

    Plus, I figured he gained a lot of "strength" from being in the intersection (or whatever it is technically called), between the worlds, for so long. I think I recall reading someone in a chapter saying that, proposing the idea of it. (here http://grab.by/5op6). Though it is just a proposition/thought, I feel that it is more tasteful than him being a demon himself. Of course, it always open to anything really.

    Also, Zodd is fixated on Guts because Zodd's whole deal is fighting with the strongest opponent he can find. As of now, Guts is one of them (as well as SK). I don't think it has anything to do with Guts being his offspring.

    I won't discourage or ignore the idea of it, but I just find it to be too speculative (hah, I dunno how far we can take this idea, or any other for that matter, since it's still a work-in-progress, and our world isn't "Berserk" world, so it's hard to actually make strong speculations). I would just be more pleased without any demon-human inbreeding associated with Guts; takes the flavor out of it. But then again, anything can happen. Either way it turns out, the overall story will still be amazing.
    To put it more simply he just killed an innocent child. He felt like a monster.
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    Re: Is Guts really human???

    He is a human...but he lived through special circumstances...a life full of fighting, with the pinnacle of surviving an Eclipse, and getting marked...the mark itself put Guts between the real world and the astral world, so from this POV he might be considered special...so the demon from his armor could be the product of Guts being half-merged with the Astral Realm, of course the armor itself is special...Guts is human in the end IMO

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    Re: Is Guts really human???

    He is a human but living on the intersection can possibly bend some of nature's laws much like the Skull knight methinks.

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    Re: Is Guts really human???

    Quote Originally Posted by llamapie View Post
    Its interesting but I'm inclined to disagree. Guts has been fighting impossible odds as a human, which makes the story interesting. He is supposed to represent the pinnacle of human capability.
    Couldn't have said it better myself.

    I'd be pissed if Gutts turned out to be something other than human.

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    Re: Is Guts really human???

    Guts is the ultimate underdog.

    His character is a dog, if you analysis his behaviour throughout the whole manga, caska even calls him a mad dog and plus the beast of darkness is a dog. He was a dog that was always in fights but had a master to cling to then his next master was griffith who he was loyal to but would bite others around, plus he was a dog that didn't like being touch, he would bite them.

    The first few volumes with the god hand sum up why guts is human, They thought he would be worthly of being a god hand but they said he is just a human. Guts said himself many times he will kill them all as a human because he hates all of their kind well most and won't do what griffith did and become one. The beast of darkness is the thing that is trying to take his humanity away. When he left caska he was a monster but still had feelings at times showing sadness, he did cry after the count's daughter vowed to kill him. Then puke when he saw collette die.


    That nightmare was with guts face on zodd body was because in the dream zodd kills him and his step father then he see's his face on zodd's face as a reminder he is that monster who killed his step father.
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    Re: Is Guts really human???

    The skelleton swordsman (volume 16 p.143) says:
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    It seems he is still dogged by ill fortune... but...
    For a human to follow this path is as cruel as the evening is.
    Can he continue to walk it as a man? Or will he...
    Afterwards, he finds a Behelit at the place where Gatts fought.
    I think it's save to assume that the skelleton rider is one of the best experts in terms of demons and humans and he obviously is absolutely sure that Gatts is human, despite the fact that he's beeing surrounded by the aftermath of one of his battles (means alot of slashed corpses).

    A few pages later, Gatts is beeing followed by demons who call him a demon because of his bloodlust and he still has a behelit in his bag. The demons seem to try to convince him to use it to become a demon, another point for him still beeing human.

    I think the Golden Age-Arc is supposed to explain his extreme capabilities, since he fought with huge swords for as long as he can remember. It's simply his focus of life, everything he ever did was fighting. No wonder that nobody can compare to him. And swinging supersized swords since early childhood should explain his power :P

    On the other hand, his regeneration speed after injuries definitly is absolutely extreme. But I think that's rather to keep the story interesting than to portrait him as (physically) demonic. Especially since his elf partner seems to be partially used to create an explanation for why he can keep going and going even after worst injuries (as the elf can heal them after each battle). Gatts himself is commenting that: "Man, he's just turning into a walking first aid kit" (vol. 16 p.158).
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    Re: Is Guts really human???

    I daresay now with Schreike around she's aiding his recovery with magic some what.

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    Re: Is Guts really human???

    Guts is 100% human. His superhuman prowess was built over decades of intense training.

    Quote Originally Posted by OldSkOoL View Post
    I daresay now with Schreike around she's aiding his recovery with magic some what.
    Schierke also states that the time Guts has spent in the Interstice may be responsible for the continuing development of Guts' inhuman physical prowess. He is literally willing himself to be superhuman.

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    Re: Is Guts really human???

    i would have to say no

    1.he gets his physical strength comes from him using a normal size sword when he was a kid instead of a smaller one for his size and then using a bigger sword when he was a teenager( training everyday with a bunch of logs on his sword to make it heavier )

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    -zodd didn't shown any sing of him ever knowing guts in anyway the first time he saw him

    -zodd doesn't really look like guts to me at all

    -the whole zodd with guts face thing is more or a metaphor then anything else. the author just wanted to show us that guts felt as if he was zodd because of the monstrousness thing he just finish doing

    3.zodd saving guts was more of a warrior type of thing ( or him guesing that grifiths sacrifices would be guts[not knowing what it truly is])

    don't get me wrong you might actually be right but to me the chances of zodd being guts father is 1 out of 1 billion, zodd is just the type of demon who doesn't rape,eat,kill anyone who cant fight (or just never shown ) and he admires strong people maybe thats why he threw the sword towards guts to give him a fighting chance

    also the demon inside him is more of a alter ego then anything else ( he did watch the love of his life get rape by his best friend and losing a arm and a eye trying to stop it all in vein,if that doesn't give you a mental problem then what would [he was shown to have that demonic evil expression right after he got out of the eclipse] explaining how he got it

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