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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
Ok, lets say the rikudo had not picked the elder son to carry on whatever he was supposed to do with biju? Could the guy have just chosen the younger for that? NOPE. The younger had love and charisma, none of which would be vaguely effective in dealing with biju. In this sense, assuming things were as bad as you imply, the sage had no option but to trust his older son.
Now, another alternative lol(I might just guess if I predict every concievable scenario lol). We know the jubi seemed to have a sharingan like eye. On top of that, the son's sage descendants got the sharingan and the MS which could control biju. What if the MS comes directly from the jubi's chakra and it was responsible for making the rikudo's son have a doojutsu? The sage could have planned to break up the jubi for a long time so the jubi decided that the second the sage had a son he would take the chance to give it the power to control biju. In this sense, there would be a number of people on earth with the power to tame and control biju and with that the capacity to gather them and remake the jubi. Basically the jubi would take advantage of any descendant the sage has who is desperately looking for power(sounds familiar lol).
I like this idea. The juubee would be like the 9 tails in Naruto and be really pissed that it was trapped. It could have given its cursed chakra to the son in the hopes that it would corrupt the family and eventually one of them will free him. My guess is the juubee was more like the fox. Very very evil and vey very clever.Quote:
If this is the case however, it strengthens my theory that the sage's son left the tablet. The tablet gives instructions on how to control the chakra bits of the juubee with the MS. It is like the juubee wrote it himself so that it would influence someone in the future looking for power to free him.
How is it like saying that? How was the young son supposed to control biju that were no in him on his own? The issue here is the physical imposibility the younger one had when controlling the biju. I do want to point out we have no guarantee the elder son was really all that bad. He might have had a good relationship with his father and brother until the day the rikudo had to make his pick. I mean, he was at least considered as an heir, it's not like his dad completely got rid of him(At least IMHO).Quote:
Killerbee, Yugito (if i remember right) and Hashirama could all control biju without eye techniques. Hashirama himself controlled a number without ever becoming a host. The younger son definitely inherited stuff from the sage, so a way to suppress the biju could be one of them.
There is a lot of speculation here because he know little about their abilities.
The tablet is the key to all we can know, and we only have madara's interpretation of it. If this manga ends before madara gets the 9 tails, then we probably will never see it again. If madara manages to start up his moons eye plan then we may get answers if Kakashi/sasuke and Naruto get their hands on the tablet.
Maybe someone from the hyuga clan can read part of the message of the tablet
during the chunin exams, kakashi says that it is believed that the sharingan descened from the byakugan,
considering that the sage of the six paths had children and one of them had "the eyes" but clearly, no one else since the sage of the six paths had the rinnegan, i would think that the sage of the six path's son had something that looked more like the byakugan
later one the lineage of the son of the sage of the six path's must have split up into the byakugan and sharingan, (also, i think it is mentioned that ppl did expierments on people , combining different eyes, in order to get to the sharingan
if u take a byakugan eye and a sharingan eye and put them on top each other, the lines of the sharingan plus the all whiteness of the byakugan would form something that looks similar to the rinnegan
maybe they will use kakashi's MS plus the byakugan to decode as much information as they can
well i know it says that one son got the body and the other got the eye but they should have similar genes regardless, and the byakugan kind of has the "body" in the sense that it can shoot chakra out of each of it's pores
if the uchiha clan has a temple with the knowledge of the sage of the six paths, maybe the 1st hokage knew of a temple for the senju clan as well, and maybe the 5th hokage will go and discover it
Last edited by Elite_user; November 16, 2009 at 05:57 PM.
I wonder what the Hyuuga would see IF the stone tablet was compatible with the byakugan. I reckon it holds quite significant/interesting information, maybe a fail safe i.e. Eight Trigrams One Billion Palms on the moon to counter the very possible global Tsukuyomi...
... dream on.
So, the younger son probably had the ability to control bijuu as well, perhaphs with greater efficiency than the older son-
This is cnets translation of this chapter, it seems to be a little different from most translations around. Anyways, what little we know seems to indicate the younger son had no KG. It does make sense his descendants could be born with different KG though.Quote:
The only way it could be any different is if Hashirama got his KG from another entity all together or if he got it directly from the Rikudo Sennin and it skipped the younger brother. If it was from another entity(like a different side of the family), it would make no sense for him to be able to control the bijuu. It would also make no sense for it to skip over the younger brother when the powers handed down from the Rikudo Sennin were at there strongest with the younger brother. Anything after the two brother was were probably just watered down versions of what they used to be, much like the two brothers were just watered down versions of the Rikudo Sennin.
Last edited by Yondaime Uzumaki; November 17, 2009 at 02:54 PM.
It's like having blue eyes one of your parents may have it but you can have brown eyes and then your son having blue eyes.
So let's assume your mother had the BB genes but you father had Bb (being b-black and B-blue)
there's two combinations: BB; Bb ( in order to have blue eyes you need 2 B genes)
If you had Bb you would have black eyes but then you mary someone with BB genes or Bb genes
in the first case you son could have BB in the second BB or Bb
So the sage's son could have gotten more his mother's genes but then he married someone with K.G. or half K.G blood like him and his son could have inherted the K.G.
Perhaps there were interacial marriages in order to pass the K.G. but that's unlikely since the two brother's families had a bad relationship.
Last edited by BBB Banana; November 24, 2009 at 08:14 PM.
KG are genetic mutations...these mutations have to be strong in order to be passed on... tsunade for example can't control bijuus from what I know, neither could tobirama... so I lean towards young bro doesn't control bijuu...it is a really a random thing like yagura and bee...and it is known that most part of the bijuu taming ability came from that necklace which responded to mokuton of course, but still...
2. The 1st could control bijuu, most likely through his blood-line limit. Maybe his mokuton KG, was in tune with nature, and that is why he could control them. Who knows exactly why, but because Tsunade can't control them, proves that she doesn't have the blood-limit as the 1st did. It's possible that many people have this KG in the village, but are either not shinobi, or just don't know period. (In my opinion it should have been a more common KG in the Fire Country.)
First, I went to get the oldest son's picture HQ from mangahelpers' database, he has neither Rinnegan nor Sharingan, rather some spirally new eye design. Therefore, I'm not sure if he could produce a tablet with passage only readable by the rinnegan.
Rikudō Sennin was a sennin, that much sounds obvious, but bare with me. Sennin do senjutsu, it's a simple matter of semantic, just like wizards do wizardry and ninja do ninjutsu. We have met two sennin so far in the story, Jiraiya and Naruto who were both taught by frogs. It is possible than Rokudō was thaught senjutsu by the frogs and that he got a prophecy from the young Ōgama sennin. That prophecy would have ask him to realize the tablet which can be read differently with different doujutsu. Or else, Rikudō himself was the prophet and made the stone as he saw fit. That's about the only way I see this tablet non-sense to actually make sense.Quote:
Itachi manage to sneak in with Kisame unnotice for hours, he could have brought Pain in at some point. Or Madara could have used Kyuubi attack as a diversion while Nagato snuck in to read the tablet.Quote:
Last edited by Darth Executor; December 01, 2009 at 02:13 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost