The Anime Thread

[haegar]

just to point out this thread was about 3 years old&dead least we again get the phenomenon of "hey there is a new claymore petition - NOO shoots, it's just the old one again" which inevitably happens every half year or so

edit: that "updated" in the thread title is a tad missleading

[Goral]

It's one of the reasons we need a moderator. Some threads should be locked, some renamed, some moved and some undeleted (I don't get why limao's thread about making a dedicated Claymore site was thrown out).

As for 2nd season of Claymore, Madhouse messed up big time even though they've had source material and didn't have to show their "creativity". I would love Production I.G. to make a remake or some other better studio than Madhouse. Then it would make sense. Claymore anime could easily become better than manga version if it was adapted by skilled crew and I would love to see that. But I'm afraid that relatively low DVD/Blu-Ray sales and manga sales won't allow it and we won't see another anime for years (probably not before manga is complete).

[Shiek927]

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...&postcount=637, Made a giant post on this issue shortly before AS went AWOL....a second season could definitely work, so long as the right steps are taken and, preferably, the manga is already finished.

[Goral]

Heh, you should have written this link instead: http://claymore.anime-characters.com...37644/#3937644 ;P.

As for live-action, I would prefer to see a decent Witcher adaptation instead. Live-action Claymore would probably be as shitty as Sucker Punch or worse. I just don't see how anyone could make a decent film where there are only chicks (and in skin-tight clothing). A porn movie would be more plausible but Yagi would never agree to it (I think).

[Shiek927]

Hehehe, I honestly was thinking about it - I've visited Animesuki so many times over the past several years, it's hard not to type it in real quick.

As for the adaptation...that's something I feel Yagi should decide - I feel I could trust his decision, especially since such a decision would be huge and he wouldn't make it likely. He would stay on as executive producer and ensure everything goes as he intended, but the director would be somebody he personally selects.

[kstefan88]

I was really satisfied with the Anime and if I hadn't read the Manga afterwards I would have never lerned that they changed the story in Pieta. I want a 2nd season of course, but they absolutely have to remake the war in the North. The only problem I see ist, that, if they are making a 2nd season, there has, since Pieta, never been a point where an Anime could end. We had no rest since then, so to say. Pieta was Ideal, but now I think we'll have to wait for the current arc to end. At least I'd like that because I don't want to end an Anime with hundresd of unconcluded issues - so the decision they made for the 1st season was great. But for a 2nd season they have to redo it.

kstefan88

[ClaFanN1]

It's all Isley's fault, if he had spanked Luciela sooner (and killed her properly), Claymore would have some 10 seasons by now...Not just Isley died showing he was a low quality horse, Luciela also became a prank for enclosing main characters in blobs...

That and Toilet Seat Raki made claymore the garbage it is today

[Claymore1]

Raki made claymore the garbage it is today

If it is so bad then why don't you just stop reading it and stop posting negative comments about Raki.

Raki was bad in the Anime ending but he has a well deserved spot in the manga right now. He is a an important character for the plot and a badass too.

[aizen92]

Hi, I want to know if the anime is the same adaptation of the manga or are there some differences?
Also, I finished the anime, and I want to know what is the chapter that I should read to following what the anime ended?
Thanks

[haegar]

The ending of the Pieta fight, as well as some of the cutscenes with Raki in the anime are non-canon. It probably makes sense to take the complete Pieta Arc again starting from ch 50, though you might browse onward a few chapters to find the exact point where things start deviating, sry don't know it by heart just now and no time to look it up atm...

[aizen92]

Thanks haegar, I think I will start by chapter 50, to remember the story as I watched the anime some time ago and it might refreshen my memories

[Claymore1]

Thanks haegar, I think I will start by chapter 50, to remember the story as I watched the anime some time ago and it might refreshen my memories

I would suggest reading all of the chapters, from chapter 1 to the current chapter. There were a few differences along the way and it is a great story, so reading should be enjoyable.

[gnut]

I would suggest reading all of the chapters, from chapter 1 to the current chapter. There were a few differences along the way and it is a great story, so reading should be enjoyable.

let me add that there are certain events(info,convos,flashbacks)that weren't even covered in the anime.
right off the head...when isley and rigaldo met before the slaughter in pieta...in the manga it was in an office but in the anime they were in the woods.plenty more especially reguarding miria and galatea...
the anime was so rushed towards the end...in the beginning it looked like they were going at manga pace.then the last disc went from the annihilation of rigaldo to a fight where clare also demolishes priscella...in like 4 episodes.this is definitely a series worth being redone(like hellsing).

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It's one of the reasons we need a moderator. Some threads should be locked, some renamed, some moved and some undeleted (I don't get why limao's thread about making a dedicated Claymore site was thrown out).

As for 2nd season of Claymore, Madhouse messed up big time even though they've had source material and didn't have to show their "creativity". I would love Production I.G. to make a remake or some other better studio than Madhouse. Then it would make sense. Claymore anime could easily become better than manga version if it was adapted by skilled crew and I would love to see that. But I'm afraid that relatively low DVD/Blu-Ray sales and manga sales won't allow it and we won't see another anime for years (probably not before manga is complete).

R.I.P. GENEON

[ClaFanN1]

I just finish watching Les Miserables Shoujo Cosette, the ending it's just perfect (it's overall perfect as well), much different from a certain series from the same year

[Domvina]

On another Claymore forum this came up. (I suppose it does on all of them. As a person who loves the anime I get a tad riled when folks decry it. However, I completely understand their feelings having read the manga. I just treat the anime and manga as distinct entities sharing the same "universe" rather than trying to make one follow the other religiously.)

This was my response:

"Having not read the manga I could neither support nor go against their statements. Having now read the manga several times up to volume 19 (I only read / speak English) I now feel prepared to voice a more educated opinion as well as put together a plan to create a season two without redoing or ignoring the final six episodes of the anime.

My personal rules for what I’m proposing below were simple:

1) No “undoing” the anime. What happened happened and cannot be explained away as a dream or some other nonsense.
2) The way the anime ended would need to be stitched together with the start of the story after the Time Skip in such a way as to minimize changes to the story in the manga.

To that end there are five “problems” I see between how the anime ended and the way the manga presented that “ending”. In no particular order they are:

- Too many Warriors survived the battle at Pieta
- Four of the Seven Ghosts go their separate ways/there are no Seven Ghosts
- Clare and Raki are reunited
- Raki, Priscilla, and Isley aren’t traveling together
- Clare “defeats” Priscilla (To me this is more of a minor issue but I know it will be brought up.)

Too many Warriors survived the battle at Pieta
That too many Warriors survived is actually an easy fix. As Miria makes her way back South from the confrontation with Priscilla she decides to check in on the Warriors at Pieta. (This fits her personality as a responsible leader.) She discovers the town utterly leveled with numerous dead Warriors. As she searches she finds Cynthia, Tabitha, and Uma still alive. They tell her that after she and the others left a horde of Awakened Beings attacked. (Viewers of the anime will recall a brief scene showing Isley at the head of a large force of Awakened Beings when Priscilla “reawakened”.) They tell her they never stood a chance and that it was only by her plan to use the half doses of the suppressant that they managed to survive at all. (A brief flashback could be inserted here to expound further on the plan.) Miria tells them she is glad they survived but that she’s leaving the organization. The three Warriors pledge their loyalty to Miria and join her. (A sentiment echoed after the Time Skip when the Ghosts decide to leave the North.)

Four of the Seven Ghosts go their separate ways/there are no Seven Ghosts
After hearing Cynthia, Tabitha, and Uma’s tale of the slaughter at Pieta Miria realizes this presents a perfect opportunity to escape the Organization. She catches up to Helen and Deneve, tells them what happened, and convinces them to join her. The six Warriors then do the same with Clare. This leaves the “Raki Problem”…

Clare and Raki are reunited
That the pair is reunited isn’t the problem. Getting them separated again is. Clare being Clare she would be persuaded by Miria’s argument. Raki not so much. The others would explain that in order to escape they’d need to go deeper into the North to an area ordinary humans could not survive. Raki wouldn’t be convinced. I’d have Deneve, the most “plain-spoken” of the group, call him an idiot and ask if he was trying to get Clare killed. She’d tell him that if they didn’t separate Clare would have to go South and that would mean the Organization would find out she was alive and send enforcers to kill her. At that Raki reluctantly agrees (cue tearful separation, Raki promising to become stronger, blah, blah).

Raki, Priscilla, and Isley aren’t traveling together
With Clare and Raki separated again getting these three together is a snap. As Raki makes his way back South Priscilla and Isley find him as he emerges from the rubble of a town. Priscilla is back to her child-like state and hugs Raki the moment she sees him. Isley explains Priscilla had insisted they find him. Raki is understandably hesitant. Isley tries to convince Raki to rejoin them for Priscilla’s sake but he isn’t persuaded. Isley then stares off towards the North and says he senses the auras of seven Warriors. He says there are still many Awakened Beings in the North and it would be a shame if those Warriors met their end fighting those Beings. However, if Raki joined them he was certain he could ensure the Awakened Beings left the Warriors alone. (After all, it would be the civilized thing to do.) Raki agrees.

Clare “defeats” Priscilla
“ZOMG Priscilla is teh most powerful being in Claymore! Clare can’t beat her!!11!”

I would argue (and have it mentioned later in the second season) that the Priscilla Clare fights isn’t the same Priscilla she would later encounter. Viewers will recall Priscilla calls Miria, Helen, and Deneve fellow Warriors. Mentally she’s at the same point as she was just before she awakened. While she will fight to defend herself she’s hesitant to kill other Warriors. (Remember she didn’t kill Irene/ Ilena even though she easily could. Having rendered Irene a non-threat by removing her arm she then wounded her deeply enough to incapacitate but not kill. Unfortunately Sophia and Noel, as present and direct threats, weren’t shown such mercy.) Not only that but Priscilla experiences numerous flashbacks of Teresa during the last portion of the fight. In that frame of mind she is still deeply terrified of Teresa which plays in Clare’s favour. At the end of the fight Priscilla is back to human form frozen with terror, just as she was when Teresa was about to behead her the first time.

The Priscilla Clare will face later in season two is a fully aware Priscilla who has shed those fears.

How I would insert this into a second season
I’d start right where the manga starts after the Time Skip. When it is revealed who the Seven Ghosts are after saving the Warriors battling the Awakened Beings in the North I’d have the first three “problems” resolved in a flashback then move ahead with the story. The fourth “problem” I’d wait to resolve, again as a flashback, when the older Raki is reintroduced into the story. (This would mean leaving out the scene in the manga where Isley is sparing with Raki at the inn. Not a big loss in my opinion.) Also, I would cover the battles between Isley and Luciela as well as the introduction of Alicia and Beth as flashbacks during Riful’s dialogue with Clare after they save the Warriors from her in the West. The story of Rafaela and her reunion with Luciela I’d inject into the anime either when Renee initially probes the pair or when Clare is pulled into Rafaela’s mindscape just before the Destroyer awakens.


This is what I’ve come up with as my solution for knitting the anime with the manga to create a post Time Skip season two without invalidating season one. I’m sure there are those who will disagree with my analysis and I welcome discussion.

(One other note, in the scene where Sid speaks with Clare and mentions seeing Raki come through Rabona with a girl I'd simply not have him mention the girl.)"