Bleach Hangout Thread 3.0

[Shola]

?! What?!
First off, ability isn't determined by reiatsu level so let's just not waste anytime on that bullshit comment *waves hand in shoo motion at comment*

That's a legitimate question however I wasn't just talking about reiatsu I was talking about physical strength as well; or would u like to claim hitsugaya was "stronger" than halibel or byak and ken "stronger" than yammy or haachi "stronger" than barragan. Gimme a break! Ppl stop putting forward arguments for arguments sake geez

[Trotter]

People have missed something. A person with extremely weak reiatsu could never beat anyone at say, Captain level. No matter their ability. Why? Everyone forgets that when two Reiatsu's clash, the weaker one gets hurt. Remember the first Kenpachi fight when Ichigo got his hands busted? Case in point. This also goes to show that not everyone has a giant Reiatsu difference from each other and that Captain-Class is universal and that most of the Captains, except the Seniors possibly, are relativity equal energy/power wise.

[Gran Maestro]

?! What?!
First off, ability isn't determined by reiatsu level so let's just not waste anytime one that bullshit comment *waves hand in shoo motion at comment*

That's a legitimate question however I wasn't just talking about reiatsu I was talking about physical strength as well; or would u like to claim hitsugaya was "stronger" than halibel or byak and ken "stronger" than yammy or haachi "stronger" than barragan. Gimme a break! Ppl stop putting forward arguments for arguments sake geez

Shola, I'd really like to give you a detailed explanation but it would be completely off-topic. If you want to learn my opinion about this issue, read my discussion with Forever_Melody starting from here.

[Shola]

Yea but that's all nonsense as it has never happened since. And my saying 1000th seat level reiatsu was just me being fictitious anyone of that level has no business even saying "hello" at this point in the manga

[Shola]

@kkck
I was there in that discussion :/. I'm hurt u don't remember but it still doesn't sway my opinion. Well lemme ask this at the risk of going off topic. Do u believe reiatsu level is something one is born with or something that grows with the individual? Depending on ur answer u may destroy ur whole argument

[trzykroki]

That's a legitimate question however I wasn't just talking about reiatsu I was talking about physical strength as well;

Question: shinigamis are ghosts, aren't they? Isn't reiatsu all they have? They don't have real muscles, do they ?

[mr.danly]

People have missed something. A person with extremely weak reiatsu could never beat anyone at say, Captain level. No matter their ability. Why? Everyone forgets that when two Reiatsu's clash, the weaker one gets hurt. Remember the first Kenpachi fight when Ichigo got his hands busted? Case in point. This also goes to show that not everyone has a giant Reiatsu difference from each other and that Captain-Class is universal and that most of the Captains, except the Seniors possibly, are relativity equal energy/power wise.

well that's only in a physical fight. for example, let's say, for argument's sake, that barragan had puny reiatsu. It wouldn't matter, because his respira ability is so hax that it can destroy almost anyone. barragan could've had the reiatsu of a fly, it wouldn't matter because his ability is so powerful. so your argument makes sense for physical fights, but when you're talking about all other kinds of fights, reiatsu has very little impact on the fight.

[Hangender]

I would say reiatsu matters a whole lot.

Why? Simple, everything we see in the manga is pretty much reiatsu.

Barrigan's breath? reiatsu
Aizen's hypnosis? reiatsu

When 2 reiatsu goes against each other, the stronger one wins.

Of course, one can bring up the BS that

1)there are different type of reiatsu...like kudo reiatsu or zanpakto reiatsu

or

2)there are "more than" reiatsu to bleach.

But..there is no evidence for that

[Gran Maestro]

If you have puny reiatsu, you get this treatment and your abilities don't help you.

[kkck]

@kkck
I was there in that discussion :/. I'm hurt u don't remember but it still doesn't sway my opinion. Well lemme ask this at the risk of going off topic. Do u believe reiatsu level is something one is born with or something that grows with the individual? Depending on ur answer u may destroy ur whole argument

Haven't been here for the last 3 hours so not sure of what you are talkng about lol. In any case, I think the whole reiatsu thing has elements of being born with and it being acquired. Take ichigo, the guy has had captain level reaitsu and spirit awareness since he was a little kid. How exactly he got such a thing has yet to be explained but it would seem he has had it since he was born. Take chad then. He recently became spiritually aware and over time has developed his power to the point of being able to fight above most if not all the VC. Someone born with higher spirit awareness is probably going to be more talented in the long run since the whole thing might be more natural to him. Still, not sur this was addressed to me lol.

[Shola]

*scratches head* what's going on with people? Strength only matters in a purely physical fight and as anyone with sense knows those are relegated to ichigo and kenpachi because kubo wants them looking good. If it comes down to a fight based on technique reiatsu level isn't relevant.

@hangender
Ur post is devoid of any logic. Well not totally really but I mean aizen and barragans are KIDO based they don't have anything to do with their reiatsu level; that was the whole point of the discussion; did u even read it?

Moved, but removed a bit of flaming. >.>; ~igotthegoods

[Hangender]

Did you just say:

"but I mean aizen and barragans are KIDO based they don't have anything to do with their reiatsu level"

Kido = a bust of reiatsu

Which would imply any swords with kido ability use reiatsu as their base.

Heck, we even know releasing the sword requires reiatsu, so there is proof right there higher reiatsu = win.

[Shola]

@gran
Yama is an exception and I haven't seen the plot jutsu exhibited ever before so I don't take that into consideration.

@kkck
Well I'm implying that peoples ability is predetermined at birth and their reiatsu isn't so saying someone has a hax zanpakuto because they have high reiatsu is false because aizen is the only one that fits into that

[Gran Maestro]

If it comes down to a fight based on technique reiatsu level isn't relevant.

How did you get this impression from the manga? On the contrary, Kenpachi, who most probably has more reiatsu than Tousen, defeated Tousen's technique. Manga evidence suggests otherwise.

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@gran
Yama is an exception and I haven't seen the plot jutsu exhibited ever before so I don't take that into consideration.

Exception to what? And what is plot jutsu?

[Shola]

@hangender
*sigh* I meant kido based zan as opposed to physical zan not whether it had to utilize reiatsu or not. Seriously? :/


The ken fight was plot induced; nothing like that will ever happen again; EVER.

Idk how you say the manga suggests otherwise when technique beats pure power 99 percent of the time except for when that plot failure known as tousen vs ken happened.