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And Again, The Rest Of the Vaizards were Killed off By Aizen, We Cant really call them fail coz the rest of the remaining captains got downed by the same guy (xept Yama )
What we Expected from the Vaizards Was Unrealistic, By The Time they got there, there wernt enough Enemies To fight
I agree Mashiro Kinda Failed Againt WW, But We Dont know how the story woulda gone if her mask dint break, and she went shikai + bankai!?
And We havent Seen Kensei vs WW fight so we hardly know what really went down
Shinji Wasnt Going down for shiz, untill Toshiro Screwed everything up (i dont blame the kid he got mindraped)....
Love And rose the same, they wer preety beat up from fighting starrk, and wer under KS Influence
We shouldnt Have Expected them to do much, coz of KS, But we still expected something from them!
In Real terms non of them Really failed, And We would need better opponents to test theyre skill before judging them
<Lol Mauricio :P >
Last edited by jaymizzo; March 12, 2010 at 04:42 PM.
It wasnt a character fail but a plot fail. The author had to choose between developing the Vizards and the Captains. thats why i think there needs to be another arc because there needs to be room for more development, that or make a prequel and show everyones true power!!!
I still think the main problem the vizards had against the espada was the evolution of their hollowification. The espada were outright infinitely more advanced than the vizards. A resurreccion has shown to provide all the boosts from a shinigami sword release and on top of that an actual increase in physical capacities and reiatsu. In a strong arrancar just resurreccion has shown to be about as powerful or even stronger than a bankai. In comparison bankai just provides more abilities and comes with an increase in reiatsu consumption. The difference in quality of their hollowification seems even more obvious when you consider most of the espada probably weren't even vasto lorde. They were mid level hollows who attained the capacity to fight captains solely through shinigamification.
I don't think the vizards were fail at all, they all did remarkably well in their fights and made a huge difference. Hachi came up with a clever tactic to defeat barragan even if he never actually attacked. Hiyori and liza, being merely former VC, did not drag hitsugaya down at all in their fight against harribel which speaks volumes of hiyori's and liza's strength. Love was the one who forced starrk all out and starrk admitted his cero would not have even work against them due to how strong they were. It is also worth nothing none of them went bankai. kensei fought WW but what happened to him is kind of a mystery right now. I don't think he got defeated though.
Though, I get the point of the level of hybridization. From what Tousen demonstrated in his battle with Komamura and Hisagi, it seems the Vizards haven't (or couldn't) reach that level yet of using a resurreción.
It kind of felt like this entire arc was a huge plot fail for the simple reason that everyone seemed to attempt to defeat Aizen & Co. by doing as little as possible and exerting as little power as possible. If it were a sparring match, I can understand...but when it's life or death it seems a little half-assed.
The only one to go all out to the extent of his ability, at a given time of course, was this past chapter & Yamma. Everyone else half-assed it & paid the consequences with severe injury.
With fighters like Komamura and Hitsugaya, whose abilities can encompass a wide area, others have to get out of the way in order to not be affected.
And then, we don't even know the bankais of Love, Rose, Shinji, and Kyouraku so who knows how they would have affected the performance of the others. At least, we can assume Kyouraku's bankai, from what Ukitake implied, is something that shouldn't involve other fighters in the area and going by his shikai, that would seem to hold true. And the same also applies for Shinji.
Also, probably, they were thinking that Aizen also has Bankai so if it happened that they forced him to use bankai, the captains probably wanted to have the option of using their unknown bankais against Aizen's unknown bankai.
From all this, I think that how the captains fought Aizen was probably the best thing they could do: they had numbers against him and with the abilities they all shown up to that point, they definitely had a chance to defeat him or at least weaken him enough so that Yamamoto could have taken care of him
And the reason Yamamoto showed more effort than the rest was because he was the only one out there battling. Sometimes, I think that the captains should have had an one-on-one battle-like roulette against Aizen: have one battle Aizen until they get hit by him and then another comes along immediately. This would have been effectively against when Aizen uses Kyouka Suigetsu as he seems vulnerable after using an illusion.
what i think is that even if the fighters go all out and use bankais, aizen still has illusions. what's the use of wasting all that power to hit something you're not sure of? They did that with no avail. We thought Kyoraku and Hitsugaya hit a double team on Aizen, but that was an illusion. He was probably there where momo was waiting for his chance to slice them and use her to set hitsugaya's childish reactions off. It worked. And whatever else Aizen planned worked. Like the last chapter when he KNEW that Yama would have to cover the explosion. That was planned as was the avoiding attacks from Shunsui Shinji Soi-Fon and Toshiro
A bankai increases spiritual energy consumption, so does a resurreccion.
A strong arrancar's resurreccion may be stronger than a bankai, a strong shinigami's shikai (let alone bankai) may be stronger than a resurreccion.
Both bankai and resurreccion provide more abilities, if a resurreccion increases physical capacity, the extra abilities it provides are pale compared to a bankai. (Ex: Nnoitra) If a resurreccion (like a bankai) gives good extra abilities, the physical capacity increase is insignificant. (Ex: Zommari)
Last edited by kkck; March 13, 2010 at 10:59 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
With the captain Vizard... well Shinji didn't use his mask and the rest.... we can only compare to Shunsui and Uki, who make the rest of the captains look like VC's.
he WAS the number 1 espada for a reason dude.
and not to mention his UNSTOPABLE "yes unstopable" wolves.
face it those wolves were invincible and very fast and NOTHING could kill them.
Love Smashed them to pieces and Love exploded them and yet the wolves STILL reformed.
and the explossion they caused was 2x as tall as the large buildings in FKT wich means they hold ALOT of power.
come on dude who wouldn't get owned by around 30 invincible wolves besides the illusion trickster master Aizen and CC Yama