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Translations: Bleach 595 (2)
well to get a point across, you have to offend some people. I'm sorry if you're offended but that doesn't excuse the majority of the OP fanbase. Yeah I know they're just cartoon, but its fun to debate about pointless things, and besides internet is serious business. I'm not talking about the OP fans on this site in particular, just the fanbase in general. Where ever I go there's always some smug OP fanboys who love to bash the other two for no good reason. If you see someone do it, you should call 'em out. And I'm only talking about bashing, I don't care about people who legitimately argue about their preferences.Quote:
good for you, you have an opinion that you've formed after reading/watching all 3. I don't have a problem with this, its just the senseless bashing of the other two I find everywhere.Quote:
Objectively, yeah I agree that they're tied in terms of quality. Both have different flaws, and both have different strengths. OP for example has very little characterization (beyond the SHs individual sob story), deviates from the main plot often and can get pretty boring at times. Naruto on the other hand has inconsistent writing, plot holes and not enough focus on the side characters. I admit that Oda has written OP better than Kishi has with Naruto but I prefer the plot and characters of the latter. I like all 3 (prefer Naruto the most), Bleach less lol, but I can respect other people's preferences. Which is my problem with the piecetards: They don't respect the opinions of the fans of the other two. Yeah I know, I'm taking this too seriously, buuuuuuuuut respect is important, especially if you're conversing with people over the internet. So all I ask is to please keep yourselves in line. If you've got preferences go ahead and talk about them as much as you want, just present your opinion in a well thought out manner.Quote:
and yeah I think FMA is the best shounen too
hurr durr, quality is not equal to quantity. By that logic Twilight is some good literature right? Also since Naruto is more popular worldwide compared to OP, I guess that makes Naruto the best, amirite?Quote:
your statement is a logical fallacy
and LOL Naruto has gotten plenty of bad dubs in Germany and other places. Still popular as hell there too. I've got a theory on why OP never became that big in the U.S, but its pretty out there
lies and slander. Naruto has a bigger fanbase.Quote:
Now, compare it to OP, where Oda can write something like this: "This time Luffy will go to a village where... there are... people that walk backwards, the villain will be able to convert anything into cottage cheese". You have an indestructible character made of rubber --rubber with no yield strenght nor plastic deformation whatsoever-- which usually gets powerups out of nowhere whenever he needs them, with no moral code but rather a life built upon a whim, and so many logical inconsistencies that you can't possibly have any plot hole as long as you have enough imagination. Does a sandman get beaten by using 20 liters of water? Great idea! Makes Marvel's Hydro looks stupid. Having a gigantic golden ball melted over your hand is nothing: rubber is indestructible.
Personally, I'll give more credit to Naruto because of the effort to create a "realistic" manga, on its own way; however I read One Piece and enjoy it dearly: it's funny, it's unexpected and exciting. But to me, comparing whether Naruto or One Piece are one better than the other is a matter of asking yourself what will make you consider something as "better". Is it that it makes you laugh? Is it that you don't have to think too much? If you cook dinner yourself isn't it more likely to get it wrong? Will you enjoy it if you order it delivered? Does it make it better? I, for instance, can be honest to you: One Piece has stupid characters, with ridiculous powers. But I love them, and enjoy them. Are they good? Yes. Better than Naruto? I don't think so.
For me its :
1. One Piece
2./3. Bleach and Naruto
One Piece :
- the most funny one of the big threes
- a very good storyline
- all of the sh are good characters and i love them all
- no insane powerups from one day to the other
- definetly the best art of all.....kubo drawing-style is just awesome
- overall a good storyline but man......sometimes the progress of the arcs is so damn slow
- stupid almost instant powerups and nobody knows why
- ok the first of the big three i began to read
- i loved the idea of a "nobody" who will surpass a genius with hard work
(ok after Naruto´s father was revealed that doesnt count anymore)
- overall a good story
- some really useless character *looking to tenten* - and other characters didnt get enough screentime.
And I think One Piece is clearly the winner of this poll - rightly.
I started with Naruto. It was my first anime[2.3 years back]. the first part was really good.I watched several times. After the first part i started to read Manga.Initially It was good, but when the story progressing it becomes worst.
After completing of Naruto I started to watch One Piece. Initially it was not good compared to Naruto, But i keep on watching because of lot of episodes are there it was good time pass.But when story is progressing One piece becoming better.I just finished the anime too quickly and start to watch Bleach.
Bleach was lot of action.lots of fights.It was good.but i ran out of episodes and sadly there was no fun at all.
If i give my rating it will like this with my opinion Naruto=Bleach=OP.
So again I start to watch One Piece.this time it was better than naruto in many ways.I finally into OP world. after finishing OP anime i start reading Manga. Manga was better than OP anime[thank goodness its English subs, not 4Kids dub].
If i compare now it will be like this One Piece >>>>>>>>>>>>>>[Naruto or Bleach]don't care which one it is.
Finally OP is Best. and it simply superb.
First anime i ever saw was Bleach, and i fell in love with it. And continiued to love it dearly untill the arrancars were introduced, after that the series just went downhill for me. And it became worse and worse and now it is ruined and i have droped it.
I started watching Naruto a litte while after i started wathcing Bleach, but didn't like it as much as Bleach. But i must say that the chunin-exam is my favorite arc in any anime\manga. But later the anime got ruined by fillers and the manga got ruined my sasuke and his silly litte revenge tragedy. I am still reading the manga, but i stoped watching the anime about 2 years ago.
One piece had a slow start and after watching about the 15 first episodes i had a break for about 4 months. But when i picked it up again and watched it till it got to the arlong-arc it got me hooked. I loved the humor, the easygong attitude of the crew and the friend-theme. But it wasn't untill the enies lobby arc i really fell in love with it. Now it is my favorite manga of "the big 3", not because it is superior to the other two, but because it has stayed a consistantly good manga and is overall the best manga. But if we only had the 100 first episodes to each anime one piece would prolly be my least favorite..
Naruto: Naruto really went uphill all the way before shipunden started, sadly it started to go downhill with some small ups then and then just to go back roller coasting downwards.
Bleach: Is more or less never changing you dont get disappointed but neither do you get exited over it it kept a straight line from the begging with just some small up and downs quickly straightening out starting to go forward again.
One Piece: One piece have always been going upwards, yes sometimes we seen small downs but they have quickly straighted out to start going upwards again.
1. OP ( Great characters, Great development. Emotional roller coaster.)
2. Naruto ( Started off Great but things went off balance and now we have like 4 god like ninjas who are really the only ones that matter. )
3. Bleach ( Awesome characters but the plot is fish flopping looking for direction.)
I like all 3 but OP has been my favorite.
comic about competition between Oda, Kubo and Kishimoto
The huge difference between One Piece / Naruto and Bleach is that, in case of former, main characters actually had motivation and clear goal from beginning of the story. Luffy wanted to become a Pirate King. Naruto wanted to become a Hokage. Ichigo... he just kind of got swept up by Rukia, and he's really just going with the flow.
As story progresses, we can see main characters in OP and Naruto had character development beyond "super power ups" and move towards their respective goals, such as traveling to various islands or gaining respect and love of villagers.
In case of Bleach, Ichigo really hasn't developed much other than "hey, I can do super hollow bankai uberness". And we really don't see Ichigo having an active stance / goal in anything beyond "hey, I'm going to kill that guy because that guy attacked me".
I'm a huge fan of Hunter X Hunter, so I value little the drawings as long as the story is good. Plot wise, One Piece is superior to the other ones. Naruto is good because it has good balance between plot (Sometimes I wonder WTF Kishi smoked) and art and Bleach has better art than the rest.
So I pick One Piece. The characters, while not so much evolving or justified that evolution, are highly credible and emotional. They have reactions that you would expect to see. The twist are amazing as well, Oda knows how to surprise us.
I voted for bleach coz i don`t read Naruto or One Piece:P
Of course i like more other mangas:P
one piece all the way, i started reasding one piece like 2 months ago and i have to say its the best manga out there, ive been following naruto and bleach for five years
bleach has gotten so boring kubo doesnt know what to do with bleach anymore i could tell just by looking at this arc, i mean we have seen countless times how ichigo,renji rukia, and many others have gotten wounded and were still able to fight now in this arc
ikkaku hasnt appeared in 2 years after he got defeated what is he doing
ukitake was taken out a year ago
the captains got some wounds that i would say are not life threatning yet none of them can get back up and fight, come on we have seen byakuya kempachi ichigo fight after being severely wounded, but this captains have been layed out for way too long,also the vizards and the espada everyone thought they were going to be powerful and yet they got taken down easily
naruto it use to be my favorite use to love until it got to shippuden especially because of sasuke so here we have naruto desperetly looking for sasuke, we get to see him for a whole three months or more fighting kages, danzou,kakashi,bee, and what not, then sakura betrays the leaf ninja by making them fall asleep, when she is about to kill him she says that she cant kill him, how useless i swear that if sasuke survives i will believe that the naruto manga is a disgrase
one piece hands down is the best of the three it has a great plot that has kept me entertained while i been reading it, great characters,alot of plot twist, it also has emotional moments, it just keep getting better and better, we see the main character get stronger with time, not just randomly powering up like in bleach. we also see the characters get defeated and have to run for their lives, when did we see this in bleach or naruto, they always manage to defeat their oponent, if my memory serves right naruto hasnt lost a fight yet, and neither has ichigo.
so therefore one piece owns both bleach and naruto
Well for me it has to be OP. Bleach and Naruto are ok, I enjoyed them, in fact it was Naruto that got me into manga in the first place (well technically it was Gara and originally I was interested in the anime but same thing in principle), but I fell in love with the characters in OP (accept for Ussop, I know most people like him but I can't stand the twerp) they're unique, hilarious, sympathetic, and fascinating. I have kind of always hated the character Naruto (and Sasuke and Sakura to, I liked Gara and the kyuubi and that's about it) but the story was fun and, well, I really really liked Gara and the kyuubi. Bleach was awesome in the beginning, but then Orihime (god I hate her so much, the pathetic weakling) started to play a bigger part and Ichigo turned all gloomy and boring and it started to drag on and.... So yeah I like OP
well really dislike OP , esp the retarded Main, and the artwork is stupid,
and i think oda only know how to make ppl laugh by making some one stupid, or sth that lame
+ the jokes are all lame
The only thing that's better in Naruto, than in One Piece, for me, is the detailed choreography in battles. Those movements, counters and blocks. Sometimes. Sadly, most of the fights in Naruto now, don't include much melee. It's just fireballs, lightnings, cutting wind, lakes, gravity etc.
Another problem I have with Naruto is that the main character progresses mostly in training arcs. Maybe the poor guy would like to fight, but the problem is, most of the bad guys get taken out by Sasuke. So he hardly has a chance to mature through real battle experience. Instead, he needs to go into a training arc or a time skip in which he trains.
One Piece is not perfect, but I love seeing the retarded hero taking the stage most of the time. It would really suck if all we got to see in One Piece was Blackbeard fighting, for example.
And yeah, he's not retarded, just carefree. Only someone who's been reading OP superficially can say that.
Oh, seeing how the jokes were mentioned, and since this is N/B/OP discussion, OP leads by far. Naruto has some humor, not much. Bleach, well, the humor kinda died somehow.(EDIT: Although I did laugh when Aizen pawned Hitsugaya, but I don't think it was meant to be funny...)
And yeah, despite my avatar, I think Bleach has turned into crap. It's like Kubo is just trying to finish it so he can do something else. It's like he's not into it. That slow and dragged plot, those oversized panels, those plotkais and those stupid annoying cliffhangers really kill it for me.
Been on a brake for more than a month now. Wasn't even hard.
Last edited by Razh; April 09, 2010 at 10:22 AM.