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    Re: if every country got a "tail" beast, then the 9 tails was not a disaster

    I"d like to know how Raikage obtained 2 bijuu for/in his village.
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    Re: if every country got a "tail" beast, then the 9 tails was not a disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Igniel View Post
    I"d like to know how Raikage obtained 2 bijuu for/in his village.
    It was probably based upon the relative militaristic and/or economic power of the nations. Iwagakure also got two bijuu as well (yonbi and gobi), and Iwa is the other most powerful village (according to the village stats from the fanbook). The two weaker villages of the five great ninja villages, Sand and Mist, both got one bijuu. Kyuubi was either kept for Konoha or left as wild entity; this was likely done to conserve balance. The remaining bijuu were apparently given to some of the smaller nations' shinobi villages.

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    Re: if every country got a "tail" beast, then the 9 tails was not a disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukisama View Post
    It was probably based upon the relative militaristic and/or economic power of the nations. Iwagakure also got two bijuu as well (yonbi and gobi), and Iwa is the other most powerful village (according to the village stats from the fanbook). The two weaker villages of the five great ninja villages, Sand and Mist, both got one bijuu. Kyuubi was either kept for Konoha or left as wild entity; this was likely done to conserve balance. The remaining bijuu were apparently given to some of the smaller nations' shinobi villages.
    That's what I don't understand. Why would 2 powerful and big hidden villages such as Raikagure and Iwakagure receive 2 powerful (for exameple, Raikagure received Hachibi, which I suppose is the second most powerful Bijuu, and 2 tails too) while weakers ones got just 1, that's supposedly the weakest bijuu too (like Sand who got Ichibi and Mist who got 3 tails). Where's the ballance in this calculation?

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    Re: if every country got a "tail" beast, then the 9 tails was not a disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by kthy0056 View Post
    That's what I don't understand. Why would 2 powerful and big hidden villages such as Raikagure and Iwakagure receive 2 powerful (for exameple, Raikagure received Hachibi, which I suppose is the second most powerful Bijuu, and 2 tails too) while weakers ones got just 1, that's supposedly the weakest bijuu too (like Sand who got Ichibi and Mist who got 3 tails). Where's the ballance in this calculation?
    The distribution may have been done in a way to reflect the power of each village, not change the power balance. If Iwa and Kumo are the two strongest villages (not counting Konoha), then as appeasement it makes sense to give them more bijuu power.

    If we are considering the number of tails of each beast to have some considerable importance in relation to the power of each bijuu (just having a bijuu to use for jinchuuriki should be sufficient enough without worrying about the number of tails IMO), then there might be some method to Hashirama's madness. (The following is just my attempt to reason the assignment of the bijuu; please don't place a great deal of consideration on it )
    • Kumo gets Hachibi and Nibi, which would be the second strongest and the second weakest of bijuu, one powerful bijuu and one less powerful bijuu. Since Konoha had the Uchiha, Hashirama (who could subdue bijuu), and presumably Kyuubi, it seems that giving these two bijuu to arguably the second most powerful shinobi village balances things out a bit.
    • Iwa is the other significant shinobi village power and another enemy of Konoha, and because of this, it also gets two bijuu in Hashirama's efforts for peace. Instead of giving two bijuu from the opposite ends of the spectrum like Kumo, Iwa gets two bijuu from the middle: Yonbi and Gobi.
    • Suna is the weakest shinobi village of the big 5, and it is also Konoha's ally; so, it gets the weakest bijuu, Ichibi. (Suna is an ally and Konoha doesn't have to use a bijuu as a bargaining chip for peace; moreover, the other nations might not think it fair if Konoha's ally was given a very strong bijuu.)
    • Kiri is not the strong of a village, and, since it keeps to itself, Konoha does not have to go that far in establishing some sort of peace pact. So, Kiri gets Sanbi, which is stronger than Suna's but still reasonably below Kumo and Iwa to not cause any waves (pun intended ).
    • The rest of the bijuu, Rokubi and Nanabi, are given to minor countries' shinobi villages, which makes the smaller countries feel safer. Plus, I can't recall where exactly these two bijuu went, but I think at least one went to the Hidden Waterfall, which is an ally of Konoha; maybe the other one also went to another small-village ally of Konoha to forge more alliances for Konoha.

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    Re: if every country got a "tail" beast, then the 9 tails was not a disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukisama View Post
    The distribution may have been done in a way to reflect the power of each village, not change the power balance. If Iwa and Kumo are the two strongest villages (not counting Konoha), then as appeasement it makes sense to give them more bijuu power.

    If we are considering the number of tails of each beast to have some considerable importance in relation to the power of each bijuu (just having a bijuu to use for jinchuuriki should be sufficient enough without worrying about the number of tails IMO), then there might be some method to Hashirama's madness. (The following is just my attempt to reason the assignment of the bijuu; please don't place a great deal of consideration on it )
    • Kumo gets Hachibi and Nibi, which would be the second strongest and the second weakest of bijuu, one powerful bijuu and one less powerful bijuu. Since Konoha had the Uchiha, Hashirama (who could subdue bijuu), and presumably Kyuubi, it seems that giving these two bijuu to arguably the second most powerful shinobi village balances things out a bit.
    • Iwa is the other significant shinobi village power and another enemy of Konoha, and because of this, it also gets two bijuu in Hashirama's efforts for peace. Instead of giving two bijuu from the opposite ends of the spectrum like Kumo, Iwa gets two bijuu from the middle: Yonbi and Gobi.
    • Suna is the weakest shinobi village of the big 5, and it is also Konoha's ally; so, it gets the weakest bijuu, Ichibi. (Suna is an ally and Konoha doesn't have to use a bijuu as a bargaining chip for peace; moreover, the other nations might not think it fair if Konoha's ally was given a very strong bijuu.)
    • Kiri is not the strong of a village, and, since it keeps to itself, Konoha does not have to go that far in establishing some sort of peace pact. So, Kiri gets Sanbi, which is stronger than Suna's but still reasonably below Kumo and Iwa to not cause any waves (pun intended ).
    • The rest of the bijuu, Rokubi and Nanabi, are given to minor countries' shinobi villages, which makes the smaller countries feel safer. Plus, I can't recall where exactly these two bijuu went, but I think at least one went to the Hidden Waterfall, which is an ally of Konoha; maybe the other one also went to another small-village ally of Konoha to forge more alliances for Konoha.
    kiri had 2 bijuu, 3 and 6.

    also i dont think hashirama had all the bijju under his control i believe it said he had several. i would say that since he gave them out they have traded hands in peace agreements and such, escaped as either the bijju (as with the 3 tails) or the jinchuriki (as with the ones kisame mentioned.) and could have then been cought again by other villages. as for konoha not having any before the 9 tails attack, i would say that by judging the population of konohas actions towards naruto, and the fact that in other villages the jinchiki left or were not liked, that they felt they didnt need any or they maybe gave them away in the time of peace after the 3rd ninja war. the are lots of explanations and it is not a plot hole.

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    Re: if every country got a "tail" beast, then the 9 tails was not a disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by DEATHBOTT View Post
    kiri had 2 bijuu, 3 and 6.
    Ah, thanks. I didn't know where Rokubi went. That works out even better then with the explanation I gave as now only Suna, the ally, has one.

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    also i dont think hashirama had all the bijju under his control i believe it said he had several. i would say that since he gave them out they have traded hands in peace agreements and such, escaped as either the bijju (as with the 3 tails) or the jinchuriki (as with the ones kisame mentioned.) and could have then been cought again by other villages. as for konoha not having any before the 9 tails attack, i would say that by judging the population of konohas actions towards naruto, and the fact that in other villages the jinchiki left or were not liked, that they felt they didnt need any or they maybe gave them away in the time of peace after the 3rd ninja war. the are lots of explanations and it is not a plot hole.
    I don't know whether or not Hashirama had all of them or not, but the point of the list in the previous post was to try and give some reason for the distribution of the bijuu as we know them since the user to whom I responded queried about such a topic. As I stated in that post, I didn't mean it to mean anything serious, just an example explanation.

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    Re: if every country got a "tail" beast, then the 9 tails was not a disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukisama View Post
    It was probably based upon the relative militaristic and/or economic power of the nations. Iwagakure also got two bijuu as well (yonbi and gobi), and Iwa is the other most powerful village (according to the village stats from the fanbook). The two weaker villages of the five great ninja villages, Sand and Mist, both got one bijuu. Kyuubi was either kept for Konoha or left as wild entity; this was likely done to conserve balance. The remaining bijuu were apparently given to some of the smaller nations' shinobi villages.
    I think Kyuubi was more of a summon thing for Madara. We've seen it summoned twice. When he was fighting Hashirama and when he was attacking Konoha when Yondaime Hokage sacrificed his life. Konoha may not have had any bijuu, or it may have had one, but one of hte villages decided to take it as a treaty. Makes sense if Kumo or Iwa did this as they had the most problem with Konoha.

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    Re: if every country got a "tail" beast, then the 9 tails was not a disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Igniel View Post
    I"d like to know how Raikage obtained 2 bijuu for/in his village.
    They probably stole one from another village

    Madara has his own demention. I guess he kept it there so Hashirama couldn't trade it. He was weak after his fight so using the kyuubi was out of the question so he probably has to wait 100 years to get his powers back. I'm also wondering why is the Naruto the only jinchuuriki the leaf ever had? I guess since the leaf never lost a war and is composed of senju and Uchiha that they didn't need one.
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    Re: if every country got a "tail" beast, then the 9 tails was not a disaster

    Could it be possible that shodai was unable or unwilling to seal kyuubi. Yondaime died in the process. Shodai clearly had the power to immobilize and fend it off but placing it in a jinchuuriki may have been more than he was willing to do. That or he may have felt it's chakra was to uncontrollable; a suitable host would have needed massive chakra of his or her own. Potential hosts at the time might have been in mortal danger had they had even half the kyuubi's chakra placed in them. Third and most likely option is that it is a plot hole we'll never get a canon answer to :/

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    Re: if every country got a "tail" beast, then the 9 tails was not a disaster

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    i would say that since he gave them out they have traded hands in peace agreements and such, escaped as either the bijju (as with the 3 tails) or the jinchuriki (as with the ones kisame mentioned.) and could have then been cought again by other villages.
    It's the way I see it, after all, Hashirama gave away his bijuu at the end of the first world war, about 60 years before the actual events. Two shinobi world war took place in the time gap. Chiyo said Shukaku have been in Suna for quite some time and had three jinchuuriki, so it's safe to assume he was given by Shodaime Hokage to Suna. The same goes for Yonbi, his jinchuuriki was quite old (dixit Itachi) and Roushi was turned into a jinchuuriki in his childhood, so chances are good the four tails was given directly to Iwa from Hashirama.

    But for all the rest, we are in murky waters. Suna are known for their early work on jinchuuriki, they may have had two or more at some point. Yugito was made jinchuuriki when she was 2, that should be in the middle of shinobi world war II, Kumo could have snatched Nibi somewhere on a battlefield. Nibi could have been Konoha's bijuu up to that point.

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    Shodai clearly had the power to immobilize and fend it off but placing it in a jinchuuriki may have been more than he was willing to do.
    Jinchuuriki were not trendy back then, it came later on with Nidaime Kazekage's experimentations.

    As for Kyuubi, Madara was surely in no shape to send it back into his pocket dimension after the fight against Hashirama. The Senju though he was dead after all. Shodai may have been too exhausted to capture kyuubi for himself, or not. If not there could have been a previous jinchuuriki in Konoha that Madara (and maybe Danzou or Orochimaru) manage to make lose control.

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    I'm also wondering why is the Naruto the only jinchuuriki the leaf ever had?
    We don't know about that, the topic was never even hinted. I seriously hope Naruto will start ask question at some point, this is getting ridiculous. -_-

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