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As we know there are a few really good taijutsu users in konoha's youth batch.
Who has better hand to hand combat skill?
If we're talking about the most damaging, it would be Neji's juuken. But if you set aside bloodline limits, I would say Lee is the better hand to hand combat user.
I'd say that Naruto is the worst in taijutsu out of these four. Rock Lee, Neji and Sasuke are way better I think.
If you just count hand to hand combat without the doujutsus than I would say Lee is the best. But only if he uses the gates. Which is some kind of assitance-jutsu like the doujutsus. But still if he opens all eight gates (assuming he is able to) he would be by far the strongest taijutsu user of these four I guess (but just for an moment).
But all in all it's hard to judge. I hear many people saying of "Sasuke of course" etc. but I can't decide which one I would choose. Particulary because we didn't see that much of Lee and Neji in part two. I can't estimate how far Lee can go by using his gates but as I said when using the eight gate he should be the strongest taijutsu user.
So my opinion is:
1. Sasuke, Lee, Neji
Btw.: Maybe I just can't remember correctly but does Neji use something else than taijutsu? The chakra-thing he does is still taijutsu, isnt' it? At least I know that he isn't using genjutsu XD
Even now... I say:
Neji is better than Rock Lee, Rock Lee is better than Sasuke and Sasuke is better than Naruto, in tae jutsu.
- Rock Lee
Hmmmm.......so my choices are Lee, Naruto, Neji, or Sasuke?
Well...I wont base this on pure technical prowess (i.e.- Sasuke w/o sharingan, Naruto w/e kyuubi ect.) as 1: Thats unrealistic, and 2: It's nigh impossible. Still I will factor in technical skill as I see it.
Ok so lets begin:
Rock Lee- With his weights off Lee's speed is intense, but w/o a direct confrontation it's hard to compare to the rest on this list....the best we can do is benchmarks. In this case beginning with Garra:
Pre-time skip Sasuke had achieved the speed Lee demonstrated against Garra with his weights off. This is evidenced by both Lee's admission and the effect Sasuke had on Garra's shield of sand.
Then versus Sauske at the valley of the end, it seemed (after drawing on the kyuubi to varying degrees) that Naruto matched, and then exceed that vary same swiftness.
So before opening the chakra gates it seems Sauske and Naruto have the ability to keep up with Lee at the vary least......mind you we do not have a soild grasp of Lee's abilities post-time skip....so while I'll go ahead and assume he's gotten faster I'll only consider a relatively normal jump in ability relative to his physical growth.
Still, speed aside, Lee has his drunken fist style which is extremely effect even against taijutsu specialist and his chakra gates....which are potentially a trump to match any other. On the downside though....many of Lee's best moves tend to be double edged.
Naruto- Everyone here should be able to agree that, at his base level, Naruto's taijutsu is the crudest on this list. Sasuke, Lee, and Neji each have unique and deadly fighting styles...Sasuke's typically ending up in close quarters Combat...often grappling, Lee relying of iron fist movements of a vary stylized manor, and Neji relying on even more ritualized hyyuga gentle fist.....each tries to do a different thing, Sasuke tries to get in close and subdue/puncture, Neji tries to get within midrange to get a bead on your chakra points, and Lee tries to simply beat the snot of you out right.
Naruto though....has no definitive style...at least not without the kyuubi....this in turn leads to general mediocrity as I see it. When he IS drawing on the kyuubi however, Naruto's taijutsu takes on an unpredictable, animalistic, and beserker style that suits him well...and is as a result...quite effective. Still...he seems to have trouble isolating that aspect of his relationship with the fox...ashame. Also, in that form Naruto is likely able to keep up with a weightless...or perhaps even partially or full released (chakra gates) Lee.
Neji- Neji's taijutsu is unique in that it attacks internal organs, and the chakra system itself.....an attack thats honestly just hard to defend against...especially at Neji's speed. Also...how does one prepare internal organs.....they cant be toughened up through training like muscles and thus, every opponent more or less becomes a cupcake...a few good hits should do it.
Nothing too much can be guessed in the order of Neji's speed in general....but the speed of his attacks themselves appear to be blinding. That said, I refuse to speculate much further.
The Byakugan is also a obviously marked advantage in hand to hand combat.....a 359 degree field of vision is just daunting. Sure he has a blind spot....but so does everyone, the difference with Neji is that his is so small he can defend it far easier that the rest of us. Hell....at 1 degree of his field of vision he SHOULD be able to tell an attack is coming from there almost by process of elimination.
Sasuke- Ok....now for Sasuke. He's...well he's good, real good. Even before attaining his sharingan Sasuke had a vary stylized taijutsu style that lent well to his agility, and audacity. He gets in close...and quick. Then, rather than backing out of striking range and beginning another attack sasuke maneuvers around the opponent. Its fun to watch...and effective because it plays towards his strengths.....strengths that have only increased after obtaining the sharingan (reaction time at close range).
On top of that there's Sasuke speed...which allows him to close, and dodge, at a typically superior rate. He was as fast as Lee and Naruto pre-time skip...and it seems reasonable to assume he's as fast, or faster than anyone on this list now.
Ok, so now for my rankings.
1) Sasuke- His style just works for him, it plays towards his strengths and is consistent. His speed thus far in the manga is also a huge factor.
2) Neji- He's a Jounin for a reason...and in the end that's why I picked him here. He and Lee are both taijutsu specialist...just in different forms....so dedication to the style of combat isn't really the issue...even if in Lee's case its all he can do. I think Lee can beeat Neji...in fact I think everyone on this list CAN beat each other......but I value the effectiveness of Neji's taijutsu a bit more. Still...its close.
3) Lee- He could just as easily go one position up....but in the end I think Neji would still beat him thus far. In the event that Lee DID beat Neji...I imagine he'd be somewhat worse for wear than anyone else who achieved the same given the nature of his abilities.
4) Naruto- Kyubbi Naruto (without the shroud) can get it done against anyone on this list......but he just doesn't show up enough. And that's that really. Naruto's taijutsu just isn't very note worthy otherwise....
Theres my opinion on the matter.
Last edited by ANBU4U; January 08, 2008 at 11:32 AM.
Let's talk Part II, shall we?
Sasuke - Ridiculously good at Taijutsu. With his sword, only S-class ninja seem to be able to strike him. Strongest, in my book.
Neji - Juuken, strongest in Konoha for its strategy of hitting organs directly plus the tenketsu. Having become a jounin, he's obviously increased his strength. The Byakugan allows good clarity, excellent for catching high-speed objects. Second.
Lee - With his weights, one of the weakest after the timeskip. Without, however, he can move at blindingly fast speeds.
Naruto - Difficult to say. Kagebunshin is an integral part of his fighting style, so I'm gonna count it as that. After the Kakuzu fight, it's clear he uses them to their full potential, a great feat. It makes him tied or just behind Sasuke in strength. With the kyuubi, however, he becomes insanely powerful.
ANBU guy comes close as well.. but i rather yours because it speak unbias more than the other...
I think Lee should have been the best.. But i guess kishi just trying to keep lee style on the hold..
and for neji- he loves taijutsu and like close combat fights.. But we see what happen when its comes to fighting someone as powerful as naruto...
Sasuke as improve alot.. and i expect it from is style of fighting still.. Plus orchimaru was very good on Taijutsu as well..
Naruto.. is very good on Taijutsu since the time skip, I won't say he was very good at it from the start.. But if he can defeat jouinin rank with is Kage bunshin etc.. that say alot about is taijutsu skills..
and since time skip he fought Kakuzu and proves that he knows how to use is kage bunshin more properly...
If it's a battle of speed, it's definitely between Rock Lee and Sasuke. The only thing Rock Lee really has going for him is his extreme high speed combo that maxes out his Lotus potential. Sasuke's speed and ability to see at high speeds make him dangerous. Couple that with his lightning attacks and the man is dangerous.
Neji is dangerous if he lands a hit or you're within range. Where as Sasuke may have fast feet, Neji has fast arms and hands. Yet Neji doesn't even have to make contact to deliver damage, he could knick an opponent with his chakra.
As for Naruto, he's is a jinchuuriki. Not just any jinchuuriki but Kyuubi's. With this, Naruto could either concentrate mass Kyuubi chakra into one attack or use that same amount of chakra for a clone army that does massive amount of combos. So you're talking about a severe beat down with his clones. Naruto has the biggest damage possibility out of the whole four. Well the biggest consistent damage possibility. His ability to clone himself for a vast array of himself balances his sheer inability in taijutsu.
I wonder if Naruto's taijutsu has become on par with Rock Lee? Rock Lee seems to be the taijutsu standard since he specializes in basic taijutsu.
in a taijutsu only battle:
if its who has the strongest impact on a hit:
Lee, though neji can seal chakra and bla, in a taijutsu battle only, this doesnt matter.
if its speed:
lee withuot his weight is only matchable by sasuke, with one or two gates open he is beyond him and with 4 he surpasses all.
Neji: elegant, fast and steady
sasuke: weird, unpredictable, air-floating
lee: conventional, but steady. in Drunkenfist mode he'll be top1.
naruto: only dangerous if he uses bunshins.
ability to take hits:
that's one of the important things in taijutsu, not only to hit out but take hits.
but right now i cant tell. maybe lee is the best, after all he trains only taijutsu and has strengthen his body for this only
Well, if take taijutsu only, I bet the first place would take Sasuke, all speedy and talented and fast advancing, whereas Lee improves only due to his hard work.
Neji's good enough, but if take away all his ninjutsu, i doubt he could stand against Lee.
Naruto... oh, come on...
He's one of the last people who actually use taijutsu that I'd classify as good with it.
Anyway it's a bit uncertain how good Sasuke has gotten with it. Normally I'd say Lee and Neji, but Sasuke's level is probably quite high now after Orochimaru's training, and along with his speed he might be quite good at it. He developed a few skills that look like they're good for close range fighting, so I think he has gone up quite a bit since last.
But I'm thinking:
Last edited by Alexis; January 08, 2008 at 07:28 AM.
well sasuke and neji use they eye technique in combination with the taijustsu so then Rock can use the drunken mode or in previous arc he can open 4 gates now how many he can? w/e with this techniques + taijustsu Rock Lee > Sasuke, Neji and Naruto.
Lee with the eight gates will totally destroy the others, even pain or sharingan cannot keep up lee in his maximum state