favorite single chapter... or interesting chapter.

[Surreaoland]

And how would they do that if I remain invisibility constantly? They have no idea who or what I am, or where to even start looking. All they'd know is that one minute their military bases were there, the next minute they were completely flattened. Toppling a government is easier than you think. Using U.S. as an example, if I were to destroy the white house, congress, and the pentagon, it would put the entire country in a state of disarray and panic. The military and law enforcement would have their hands full with just maintaining order.

Really the only way I could plausibly see a government eliminating a gantzer -who knows how to play his or her cards right- is if they decide to forgo public safety and blow up an entire area (i.e. nuke) where they may believe their target is located. I don't see that happening though, since they wouldn't even have a clue as to what on earth even attacking them in the first place.

You underestimate their tactical prowess at logically pinpointing the location of an invisible target. :P Additionally, when it becomes evident the assailant is invisible, there will be extensive transportation of valuable people via intricate plans which are difficult to observe simultaneously.

You would require a network of Gantz players, my friend, to overcome vast complexity and intelligence whilst you're restricted to an individual form. Plus, do you not think the government has already acquired Gantz equipment or developed advanced weaponry of which the public is ignorant? You may be Godzilla, but there will be inevitable limitations.

[El Samurai Guapo]

You underestimate their tactical prowess at logically pinpointing the location of an invisible target.

You overestimate their tactical prowess at logically pinpointing the location of an invisible target.

Seriously, you speak as if a military has had to deal with invisible people with cyber skin suits and gravity guns that can instantly flatten a sizable area already. Tell me exactly how they would pinpoint an invisible gantzer? Infrared? Debatable if that would even work against a gantzer hiding in a different frequency (which is what the invis is, changing of frequencies). I figure since Gantz technology is so advanced, and Gantz seemed to at one point want to avoid the detection of it's players during a mission, the changing of frequencies would block detection via infrared as well.

Secondly, even if infrared would work, the simple workaround is to remain in heavily urbanized areas. Good luck finding a needle in a haystack.

Additionally, when it becomes evident the assailant is invisible, there will be extensive transportation of valuable people via intricate plans which are difficult to observe simultaneously.

Well it if was me, most of the country's leaders would be dead long before they figured that out. Again, using the U.S. as an example it wouldn't be difficult to wipe out the President and all of congress at once. You get congress when all the members are gathered together in the U.S. Capitol building, and immediately jump over to the white house and flatten it with the h-gun. Then you immediately go and hit the pentagon. After that, you head home, take your suit off and lay low for a while. Tell me how they could possibly ever trace the cause of such events back to the individual?

You would require a network of Gantz players, my friend, to overcome vast complexity and intelligence whilst you're restricted to an individual form.

A crew of gantzers aiding you would make things a hell of a lot easier, but that still doesn't mean an individual couldn't pull it off either. Granted, it would have to be an exceptional gantzer, both in terms of skill and intelligence.

Plus, do you not think the government has already acquired Gantz equipment or developed advanced weaponry of which the public is ignorant?

Umm, no I don't think any government has anything remotely like the gantz equipment. All of the stuff is at least 200 years into the future. Weapons that the public is not aware of? Sure, but nothing like what you see in gantz.

You may be Godzilla, but there will be inevitable limitations.

There are no such thing as "inevitable limitations." Especially not when a discussion is including fictional objects from a freaking manga.

Godzilla ain't a bad example actually; if one huge ass lizard can cause so much problems imagine what some of the aliens from gantz would do...oh wait, we already know. The JSDF couldn't do shit against the oni alien or nurarihyon, whereas gantzers could. The recent invasion in katastrophe is another example; nobody, including the mighty U.S. military (which was supposedly wiped out instantly), could do a thing to stop any of the aliens or their technology. The only ones who could contend with them were the gantzers of course. We witnessed how Kaze ripped the spine of that alien, or how Katou "sent" a couple of them with the y-gun.

[Damura]

You overestimate their tactical prowess at logically pinpointing the location of an invisible target.

Seriously, you speak as if a military has had to deal with invisible people with cyber skin suits and gravity guns that can instantly flatten a sizable area already. Tell me exactly how they would pinpoint an invisible gantzer? Infrared? Debatable if that would even work against a gantzer hiding in a different frequency (which is what the invis is, changing of frequencies). I figure since Gantz technology is so advanced, and Gantz seemed to at one point want to avoid the detection of it's players during a mission, the changing of frequencies would block detection via infrared as well..

NO!

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Well... I had more to say, to be honest, but I decided that I don't really know what the fuck I'm talking about, so....

Anyway, before I decided I should keep my mouth shut and after I typed 'NO!' I was thinking about the unit I'm doing on perception at university. I skipped this particular lecture but I had a look at the notes beforehand and it was talking about spatial frequency. Information at high spatial frequencies are not visible to the human eye. So! If this is what Gantz is doing (and why not? It'll do as an explanation... magic technology puts the Gantzers and aliens at a high spatial frequency, which makes them invisible to the human eye but not to the vampires when they put on their magic glasses. Fantastic.), then the information is still out there but simply can't get picked up by the human eye. Any form of vision that can pick up high spatial frequency information should be able to detect the Gantzers (not that infrared can... I have no idea..)

But I skipped that lecture and don't know what I'm talking about, so don't listen to me! I'll try and find out more, since I suppose I'm obligated as a student and all that... But I'd be mildly impressed if Oku based the invisibility on this spatial frequency thing, rather than just pulling it out of his ass.

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About the army finding and killing Gantzers, I'm sure they'd find a way eventually. In the context of Oku's world, the Government's know about Gantz. So if they can't see the person, they know that whoever it is is nearby when they attack. From there they have a variety of options. Which don't particularly matter. They could just ask the Germans to detonate the bomb in the guys head OR threaten the people behind Gantz with nuclear weapons or something if everything else fails.

However! I agree with Guapo. If the Gantzer is smart he could do a lot of damage without ever being detected. If the H-gun has a lock-on button like the X-gun's, the army has no chance.

[El Samurai Guapo]

NO!
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Well... I had more to say, to be honest, but I decided that I don't really know what the fuck I'm talking about, so....

Anyway, before I decided I should keep my mouth shut and after I typed 'NO!' I was thinking about the unit I'm doing on perception at university. I skipped this particular lecture but I had a look at the notes beforehand and it was talking about spatial frequency. Information at high spatial frequencies are not visible to the human eye. So! If this is what Gantz is doing (and why not? It'll do as an explanation... magic technology puts the Gantzers and aliens at a high spatial frequency, which makes them invisible to the human eye but not to the vampires when they put on their magic glasses. Fantastic.), then the information is still out there but simply can't get picked up by the human eye. Any form of vision that can pick up high spatial frequency information should be able to detect the Gantzers (not that infrared can... I have no idea..)

But I skipped that lecture and don't know what I'm talking about, so don't listen to me! I'll try and find out more, since I suppose I'm obligated as a student and all that... But I'd be mildly impressed if Oku based the invisibility on this spatial frequency thing, rather than just pulling it out of his ass.
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About the army finding and killing Gantzers, I'm sure they'd find a way eventually. In the context of Oku's world, the Government's know about Gantz. So if they can't see the person, they know that whoever it is is nearby when they attack. From there they have a variety of options. Which don't particularly matter. They could just ask the Germans to detonate the bomb in the guys head OR threaten the people behind Gantz with nuclear weapons or something if everything else fails.

However! I agree with Guapo. If the Gantzer is smart he could do a lot of damage without ever being detected. If the H-gun has a lock-on button like the X-gun's, the army has no chance.

Well, I was referring mostly to our present-day real world governments which would have no clue about gantz or it's technology. Of course things would be different in the manga universe - where all of the world's elites already know of gantz. I probably should have been talking about the latter since I was comparing what I'd do with the gantz equipment to what the characters in the manga do.

Of course, things would be a lot tougher in the manga universe because of that bomb in their heads. Look at Nishi vs. the Japanese SWAT officers, Nishi had to fight with his x-gun inside a paper bag...that put him at a pretty big disadvantage; he got hit with way more bullets than would have otherwise been necessary. 8 cops with MP5s should have been easy, considering we've seen Izumi simultaneously take on like 100 vampires armed with guns, katanas, and super-human speed/reflexes.

[Damura]

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Nishi must have planned to die. We know that the Gantzers can tell when a transfer is coming... he could have gone invisible if he wanted to...

I didn't think about the bombs though. I think the use of the gun depends on the situation. If whoever is in control of the bombs decides you're in over your head, he kills you. Still, you'd want to be careful...

[cassaruby]

you're on point about being able to use gantz equipment to make a difference (whether good or bad). but it would be too bad you couldn't enjoy paradise, only make it. Whoever runs gantz still has control of your where abouts and doings. If they didn't agree with your ways your head would explode. Also, they could contract another Gantzer like Nishi to take you out (funny Nishi's personality could betray himself or the like minded). My point being, there is a good chance your life would end up just as miserable as a gantz mission (though you could find joy in killing corrupt gov't officials, unless the russians tricked you and outwitted your intelligence info).

[El Samurai Guapo]

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Nishi must have planned to die. We know that the Gantzers can tell when a transfer is coming... he could have gone invisible if he wanted to...

I didn't think about the bombs though. I think the use of the gun depends on the situation. If whoever is in control of the bombs decides you're in over your head, he kills you. Still, you'd want to be careful...

If he was planning to "die" then that was a pretty ballsy maneuver on his behalf. The one SWAT guy was only a couple seconds away from finishing him off with a shot to the head from his pistol. I'm pretty sure the transfer only works if you're still alive at the moment it begins.

[Damura]

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My understanding was if you died close to the mission transfer, they'd bring you in anyway.

[Surreaoland]

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My understanding was if you died close to the mission transfer, they'd bring you in anyway.

This would indicate (as with revival) that it constructs the individual via their 'imprints'. Is it not possible Gantz created the 'aliens' and technology to prepare certain individuals for an attack of another faction? Interesting theory, but likely incorrect, yep.

[goldsaint]

i have been reading for a while and here are my clues or suppositions :

1- Why some random (freaky) old German dude manufacture Gantz balls ?
2- He did it cause it was ''invented'' by his '' Jaba-the-hut '' daughter, who can only lie down in a bed cause this stupid bitch is so fat its not even funny !

3- it looks like Gantz manufacture people like data (copy/paste memories, bodies, etc)

4- This devil German guy who think he's God (when he say ''1,2,3..BOOM'' and an airplane crash or an old lady die) is completely mysterious

5- Even when the Germans told CNN and other BS information channels the Truth, they couldn't believe them.

6- All the aliens make no sense, though they are very very very cool and very complex to understand

7- the actual ''Katastrophe'' chapter is amazing, but what is the goal (besides extermination and eating humans) of these humanoids ?

8- What is the moral you find in Gantz ?

personally i can't explain why i love so much this manga...
it might be with sentences like : '' This is where i come to life'' and stuff.

Dam man, i wish i was like Kurono. If my life would be spiced somehow, i always knew 1 thing : that death is the true beginning and meaning of the real life ! this fake life is just a test.