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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
From The Element Encyclopedia of Secret Signs and Symbols:
--Sometimes called "Fire Wheel"
--means "circle" or "turning"
--Shows two, three or four comma shapes making a spiral
--Emblematic of flames
--Belongs to Shinto and Buddhist faiths
--Used in Samurai heraldry
--Two flame tomoe looks like yin-yang and symbolizes the same concepts
--Three flame tomoe represents Heaven, Earth, and Humankind, the three foundations of Shinto philosophy
This sort of reminds me of Sasuke's Mangekyou Sharingan, but it might be stretching a little.
Last edited by Kusachu; February 13, 2010 at 01:14 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
okay, found it:
NOTE:can you see the Yasakani no magatama necklace Sasuke is wearing? it's the same the thing that Rikudou Sennin wore here:
Kishimoto originally intended to draw Sasuke with that necklace and ties, but thought it would be too difficult to draw that and left it out. will Sasuke obtain Rikudou Sennin's necklace, it's anybody's guess, but it isn't too farfetched considering that Pain made his own necklace and Sasuke is a descendant of Rikudou Sennin.
here's some discussion that went on
it is quite fitting that Sasuke marries Sakura, it's the choice between Immortality and Prosperity. that probably means Sasuke will not get the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, instead he will revive his clan by marrying and will die like everybody else. getting the EMS is contradictory to Sasuke's goal of reviving the clan, imagine the progenitor living for centuries long after his great grandchildren x 10^10 have died,
Last edited by kisame123; February 14, 2010 at 11:31 AM.
Well we all know it so hard to compose something unique,
like George Lukas created his "Star wars" after he watched a lot of anime in Japan about samurais fighting with swords and using special powers.
Kishi created manga from Japanese mythology. Unfortunately i am not so good at it that's why i would like to discuss it. I've read that there was a Hero who was summoning toads - that probably was a prototype of Jiraya. I am not sure was he a pervert or not.
For example, i was writing small paper about Amaterasu. When in manga i've read that Itachi used a jutsu and called it "Tsukuyomi", i thought ok but then where is Amaterasu? And then later there was a Jutsu called Amaterasu, then Susanoo, then Izanagi and so on. What i am saying is that maybe there are some more interesting Gods - and it will gives us keys to the next possible Jutsus? For example Tsukuyomi is shown in something like moonlight (white and black colors), Amaterasu is shown as flames that can't be putted out, and the same can be said about Sun as a planet.
Then there is a lot of symbolysm in manga, like if crystall crashes that means that Guren dies and so on. Maybe it all came from mythology?
So lets discuss whatever you mentioned in manga that has something to do with mythology or religion or other sources. Probably Japanese users can write some legends or fairy tails they heard about Bijuus, Jutsus and many other things.
I created a similar thread a few months ago, but it was deleted...
I don't have time to put pictures and everything, but I'll make a quick list of the various mythology used by Kishi :
1. Izanagi and his children
Note that another mythology was introduced when Orochimaru changed into the "Yamata no Orochi" and that Susanoo was the one defeating it.
Possible continuation : Introduction of Izanami (the mother).
2. The Imperial regalia of Japan
- Sword of Kusanagi
- Yata Mirror Shield
- Yakasani no magatama (necklage)
Possible continuation : The necklace was not formerly introduced, but it is believed that this is the necklace that Rikudou Sennin was wearing :
3. The tale of the Gallant Jiraiya
- Jiraiya and the frogs
- Tsunade and the slugs
- Orochimaru and the snakes
The story isn't quite the same, but the characters and their affinities with certains types of animal is from this tale.
4. The Kyubbi
Note that not "All" of the Bijuu are taken from mythology!
The thread about the "Japan tailed-beast" was fake, and thus no mythology exist about them, except the Kyubbi.
Note : The Kyubbi is known as a trickster and as a "shapeshifter", usually transforming into young girl.
- This might be the reason why Naruto learn sexy-no-jutsu so soon and is so good at henge jutsu.
- This is most likely also the reason why Naruto thought that Kushina might be the real form of the Kyubbi.
That's all I have for now.
Might come back later to add some information.
Last edited by THM Nindo; June 15, 2010 at 09:44 AM.
Oh it is very bad that they deleted your thread
Just wanna add what i found out.
Sarutahiko Okami - is a God with very very long nose. We've seen it so many times in manga, for example when they use Susanoo it appears, or there were a lot of statues in the temples.
Here is how it looks in myths:
And here is usefull information about him:
Last edited by Eprst; June 15, 2010 at 08:57 AM.
Other jutsus, like Kamui and Kirin are related to Japanese mythology.
Also all the Bijuus, and the Yamato no Orochi, Kusanagi from Orochimaru, and Totsuka..
Here is some information about Rinnegan:
What is interesting is that - this eye is about suffering (we all know about Pains past), and about the six realms(Pains six bodys). Thats what it says about Samsara in buddhism.
Damn Kishi composed so many things not neccesarily from Japanese myths but also from many other topics.
I guess this thread is very interesting, I wonder why the original ones didn't remain...I posted in at least two other mythology related threads...
Most of the elements were already told, but there is the character Sarutobi Sasuke in japanese lore, who was a talented ninja agile as a monkey, and very quick(reference to both characters Hiruzen and Sasuke)
But more mythology-like are the six realms of reincarnation in Buddhist mythology, which can be applied to pein, but there is another element, a diagram-like presentation of these realms which is called the Wheel of Life(a.k.a Nagato himself)
Rinnegan (Samsara Eye)
The Samsara is the endless cycle of reincarnation in Buddhism. The ultimate goal of Buddhism is to become enlightened and attain Nirvana, in order to break the cycle and escape the suffering of the world. There are six realms of suffering in the Samsara, into which one can be reincarnated when they die, depending on their Karma.
In Naruto, Nagato's mastery of the Rinnegan allows him to control the Six Paths of Pain, each of which representing one of the six realms of suffering.
The Deva Path is named for the Deva Realm of the Samsara. It is the highest realm of suffering, occupied by the angelic, demi-god like Devas, and entails living in total bliss and comfort, and have powers such as flight. It is considered a path of suffering because the Devas live with such pleasure that they are unable to consider enlightenment, and thus expend all of their accumulated positive karma until they die, at which point they are reincarnted into a lower realm.
In Naruto, the Deva Path is Yahiko's corpse, and acts as Nagato's avatar. It controls gravity and can fly.
The Asura Path is named for the Asura Realm of the Samsara. The Asura exist on the same physical plane as the Devas, and are powerful, demi-god like creatures (Asura is the root word for Aesir, the gods of Norse mythology). They are filled with aggression, jealousy, and anger; as a result, they war constantly and are unable to find enlightenment before death. Asura are frequently depicted in various mythologies as having six arms and three faces, with each face displaying a different emotion.
In Naruto, the Asura Path is essentially a war machine, with six arms, three faces, and many weapons.
The Human Path is named for the Human Realm of the Samsara, also called the Manusya Realm. This is the realm of suffering familiar to all humans; short lives filled with suffering. However, humans are somewhat unique in that they are able to gain information. Through study, meditation, and being taught by others, it is possible for humans to obtain enlightenment before death, making them more likely to escape the Samsara than other realms.
In Naruto, the Human Path is able to read minds in order to gain information.
The Animal Path is named for the Animal Realm of the Samsara, also called the Tiryagyoni Realm. Animals exist on the same physical plane as humans, and are unintelligent beasts that rely upon instinct. Their lives are dangerous and brief, as they must rely on instinct and survival of the fittest, or are often forced into servitude.
In Naruto, the Animal Path is able to summon a variety of creatures to use in battle.
The Preta Path is named for the Preta Realm of the Samsara. The Preta are ghoulish creatures filled with lust, greed, and gluttony, however they are unable to sate these feelings. As a result, they are always hungry for more, but are unable to eat.
In Naruto, the Preta Path is used to consume ninjutsu and chakra.
The Naraka Path is named for the Naraka Realm of the Samsara. Naraka are imp-like demons that exist in the same plane as the Preta, and are subserviant to Yama. As the lowest realm, it is a realm of torture and near-endless pain, where beings are tortured to death and revived until their negative karma runs out.
In Naruto, the Naraka Path specializes in torture and interrogation, and uses Yama to judge them or revive other Paths of Pain.
Yama, known in Japanese as Enma, the King of Hell, is the god and judge of the dead, and rules over the Naraka. The Naraka torture the dead until their negative karma is spent, at which point they return to Yama so they can be judged again; if they still have negative karma, Yama will revive them to continue torture, and if they have expended their negative karma, they will be reborn into a higher realm. There is also a Japanese folktale told to children, which states that Enma will steal the tongues of liars.
In Naruto, the Naraka Path uses Yama to interrogate and torture victims, to see if they are lying or not. If they lie, their tongues are removed and they are killed. The Naraka Path can also use it to revive other dead Paths of Pain, and Nagato later uses it to revive all of the recently killed.
In Buddhism, an Outer Path is considered a wrong, albeit altruistic, path that one seeks while trying to gain enlightenment. Those who practice these sorts of teachings, it is believed, will only have brief moments of peace, and will never truly escape the samsara and attain nirvana; thus they will be doomed to an endless cycle of suffering. To reach nirvana, one must instead follow the "Middle Path": the Noble Eightfold Path.
The Buddha at one time followed an Outer Path, asceticism, which involves pushing ones body as close to death as possible. Ascetics expose their bodies to the elements, and eat almost nothing, causing them to look emaciated. The Buddha eventually realized this was wrong, and that in order to obtain enlightenment, one must keep their body healthy and train their mind, seeking enlightenment through meditation. Thus he developed the "Middle Path".
In Naruto, Nagato himself is known the Outer Path, with the powers of all Six Paths of Pain and control over life and death. As such, he is an embodiment of the Samsara itself. He believes that he can teach enlightenment through suffering, however this will only bring brief periods of peace in an endless cycle of hatred and war.