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    Re: Theresa vs. Priscilla - Who is stronger?

    "......But none of you ever been in battle field. In war/battle if the opponent know your next move/action, Basically You loose." -Lemonadez


    (some of) "The Science of War"

    1. The ULTIMATE WEAPON is DECEPTION. If the opponent doesn't know what you're doing, the enemy is blind, and you've already won.

    2. SPEED. Using an extreme example of speed difference, it is impossible for the faster one to lose. What good is strength/mass/power ("brawns") if you can't hit your opponent with it? ZERO good! What good is greater intelligence/strategy/tactics ("brains"), if your opponent is fast enough to escape your set ambushes or feints? ZERO good. SPEED wins over "brains" and/or "brawns" every time. A slower opponent is a helpless dead opponent, even if they are stronger and smarter then you. As the faster one, you can't be caught, you can't be hit, you can't be defeated. It is all about SPEED.

    3. "Hit first. Hit fast. Hit hard. Hit their weakest spot. Hit last." -(many sources/quoters)
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    Re: Theresa vs. Priscilla - Who is stronger?

    1.) There is no nuclear bomb in claymore. every fight in claymore is a Head on battle face to face.

    2.) Speed doesn't mean anything in claymore. No one in claymore have ever been stated they move fast as Superman that travel in speed of light. Their speed increase by amount of Yoma energy they released. Just like how clare fighting the awaken male, in Claymore Speed is based on Split Seconds. That why Clare who doesn't have speed can dodge the attack in a split seconds by using Theresa ability to read the flow of yoma energy.

    3.) LoL that only works for those who cant read Yoma energy.. Because even the others who can read Yoma energy even they arent fast enoug to move they can dodge it before it hit em..

    Again speed in claymore increase by the amount of Yoma energy they have to release and that why when they run out of energy they're movement become slow. Just like how Phantom Miria using her Old Mirage that uses too much Yoma energy, She eventually become slower if her Yoma energy run out.

    LOL GG There is no UNLIMITED YOMA ENERGY in Claymore. This isn't DBZ. They become weak if they run out of Yoma energy. That why those awaken eat guts to power up lol.

    Throw 100x Supressing Yoma Beans in their mouth. and that will make them powerless, and not be able to use Yoma energy.. Cant be awaken Oh Yah! LoL

    Just 1x of half supressing beans can decrease their yoma to 50%.. imagine with 1000% from 100x beans of their yoma being supressed lol

    lol 1x Full bean is enough to seal their Yoma energy 100% :P dat mighty SenZu bean for ya LoL

    in the battle of north if those nublet didn't take any supressing bean the outcome would be different :P. 50% of their energy is sealed lol :P against a 100% and awaken lion king mofasa..
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    Re: Theresa vs. Priscilla - Who is stronger?

    there's been some cases where there's been a speed difference and it made a difference:

    1. Rigardo by just his speed alone is able to pwn the 24 Claymores in Pieta battle

    2. Partially Awakened Clare with her new legs becomes even faster then Rigardo and is able to defeat him.

    3. Riful using her speed to catch Renee. (non-combat reference though obviously)

    4. the AFs/AEs speed to quickly go to the Org HQs, get new "recruits", and come back to their target (Isley), before he could regenerate himself.

    5. (not sure about this) Awakened Priscilla's speed enables her to dodge the Destroyer's "black oil tentacles of hell-bodies/souls" which steal life force of any living thing they touch.

    (Or, Priscilla's yoki/yoma power is so powerful that she can't be effected, have her life force stolen by it, like with the Destroyer's hell-cats' small projectiles)

    6. Miria's Phantom and Mirage Steps' speed boost have kept her alive and winning many of her battles.

    7. Isley had a greater speed advantage then Rigardo, despite Isley's large centaur Awakened body.

    About yoki:

    1. You're right, yoki, which does/allows everything, is limited.

    However, at the moment, only, Priscilla seems to have an unlimited amount of yoki (or at least such a massive amount it seems as though it's unlimited).

    2. Though, we must include the Destroyer at this point as well, lol. Though, we still don't know too much about it and how much yoki and yoma power it has.


    about the Yoki Suppression Pills (YSPs):

    1. you're wrong about them.

    by only taking half of the pill, a Claymore keeps their full abilities and power, including yoki sensing.

    However, once they are unconscious, the YSPs keeps their yoki suppressed at near zero yoki, thus causing anyone sensing their yoki to think that they are dead, and not merely just unconscious.
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    Re: Theresa vs. Priscilla - Who is stronger?

    1. Rigardo by just his speed alone is able to pwn the 24 Claymores in Pieta battle

    For your information that battle, Rigardo went release and those 24 claymore took a Pills that supress their Yoma Chakra into half. Read along the chapter dude. When they awaken the amount of their speed increase.

    2. Partially Awakened Clare with her new legs becomes even faster then Rigardo and is able to defeat him.

    Like I fuking said again, when they awaken they speed increase. Dude look IN ORDER to become awaken they release huge amount of YOMA energy go read it in Manga, they will tell you that their yoma energy increase as they release.

    3. Riful using her speed to catch Renee. (non-combat reference though obviously)
    LoL Riful whos former #1.

    5. (not sure about this) Awakened Priscilla's speed enables her to dodge the Destroyer's "black oil tentacles of hell-bodies/souls" which steal life force of any living thing they touch.

    Of course her speed enable her to dodge it Nub. Like I said the awaken form increase their speed due to their Yoma energy is so huge.

    6. Miria's Phantom and Mirage Steps' speed boost have kept her alive and winning many of her battles.

    Look dude Old Mirage Step was even faster than New Mirage Step. The old Mirage Step uses too much Yoma Energy and Limited of usage. She wasn't able to use the Old Mirage bcuz she run out of Yoma energy against the battle of Rigaldo.

    The Yoma Pills keep their abilities duh. But it doesn't make them use it full power. Let say Miria using her abilities did not last against Rigaldo because half or her Yoma energy are sealed..unlike the first male they encountered Miria able to use 30x clare counted it
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    Re: Theresa vs. Priscilla - Who is stronger?

    The intent of the author was quite obvious. Yagi went to great lengths to illustrate that Tereas is as much beyond Priscilla as Priscilla is beyond the Abyssal Ones, if not more. At 10% release, Teresa with a one-handed grip was able to knock a ~80% release Priscilla with a two-handed grip back on her buttocks effortlessly. Teresa then tells Priscilla that that ought to make it clear (that Priscilla ought to give up and suppress her yoki since she is obviously way outclassed and has no chance of winning).

    At this point, to illustrate that ~80% Priscilla has no chance against 10% Teresa, Yagi has ~80% Priscilla ambush 10% Teresa with a surprise attack, which 10% Teresa parried even though she was taken by surprise. With her last hope (attacking by surprise) crushed, Priscilla collapsed and begged to be put out of her misery. Yagi then devoted half a page to a Teresa headshot (complete with power down sound effect) to make it indubitable that Teresa has powered down, before Priscilla was able to execute the fatal surprise attack.

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    Re: Theresa vs. Priscilla - Who is stronger?

    Awakened Priscilla is not just 20% more power than 80% Priscilla. Take into account regenerative abilities which thus far have shown to be almost limitless (until recently) and the fact that when she eats human or yoma-beings she gains more power. Teresa is amazing and I'm sure at 20-40% she could have taken out all of the abysmal ones but Awakened (truly awakened) Priscilla has toyed with and taken down more complete opponents (in terms of ability beyond a sword and regenerative powers). Teresa's ability to sense yoki flow would be pointless if she has to power-up so much herself also Priscillas fingers attack could easily surround her.

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    Re: Theresa vs. Priscilla - Who is stronger?

    NO yoki release Claymore Teresa ripped off Awakened rank 1 (aka Abyssal One) Rosemary's Awakened arm like it was nothing, and most certainly have continued to do the same to the rest of Awakened rank 1 (aka Abyssal One) Rosemary's Awakened body as well, if Teresa didn't use the opportunity to use 10% yoki release, as she almost never gets to do so.

    NO yoki release Teresa can tear to shreds Abyssal Ones, like she did to Rosemary's arm, with her bare hands. That's how powerful Teresa is. Miata was shown able to do the same but only to normal yomas and ABs, being weaker then Teresa. The manga intentionally showed these two to have this raw brute strength, which represents just how powerful they are. There is Rafaela too, but I'll ignore her as it is more debatable with her as Abyssal One Luciela was in her human form when Rafaela crushed her back, killing her. Priscilla was always shown using her sword. Maybe she had the power to use her hands, but the manga never showed this, whereas it DID show this with Teresa and Miata. So, it might very well be that Priscilla didn't have this power level that Miata and Teresa has/had.

    With that 10% yoki release by Teresa, Teresa slices Awakened rank 1 (aka Abyssal One) Rosemary into pieces in a single attack instantly.

    So, 30% (or if this is just too low some people, then 50%) yoki release is probably enough to CENSOR Awakened Priscilla, into pieces with just a single attack in an instant, which would bypass the significance of Priscilla's uber regeneration, as she's dead, cut into tiny little pieces already (or had her head decapitated, which seems to be always fatal. I'm talking about their REAL head, obviously, and not some of the Awakeneds whom can create fake bodies and thus heads).


    Teresa at 30% (or 50%), would move so fast that Priscilla's head would be on the ground or she'd be sliced into a bunch of pieces, before she even knows it, way before she could move/dodge or send out her tentacles or regenerate.

    or....

    Teresa at 30% (or 50%) would simply CRUSH Awakened Priscilla to death, just from her yoki "aura or spiritual pressure". hehe. (okay... I'm exaggerating for 30%, but 50%... or 70%.... NOPE!)
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    Re: Theresa vs. Priscilla - Who is stronger?

    @HegemonKhan - Rosemary was not regarded as a true Abyssal One. She was number 1 at one point yes but not at her awakening, it's arguable how truly strong she was. Rigardo and Dauf are push overs compared to the true abyssal ones for example.
    A somewhat awakened (but not even trying) Priscilla tore Isley in half during the flashback arc and in human form she decimated Alicia and Beth (with increased power).

    I think Priscillas' dominance is being highly overlooked simply because she's fighting the strongest Awakened beings and Claymores probably in history (and making it look fairly easy) compared to Teresa who never showed more than 10% and was able to defeat an angry and unexperienced 80% Priscilla. Please remember that Teresa was going to kill Priscilla (before she started using excess Yoki) because she saw her as a threat in the future. I don't think her awakening halted that potential at all.

    I still believe Priscilla is the strongest being seen thus far and if she defeats her current opponent I believe that would settle this fight as I don't see an unawakened Teresa being able to do anything.

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    Re: Theresa vs. Priscilla - Who is stronger?

    I think that priscilla is stronger than teresa.She is stronger than everyone IMO(in the awakened form).Soon we will see if clare can beat her...I'm too bored to read the whole discussion

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    Re: Theresa vs. Priscilla - Who is stronger?

    Awakened Priscilla is definately the current "ruler of the island"

    with the exception of this Destroyer-Clare thingy, and the...

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    Why do you say that Priscilla is superior to Teresa? Give some good reasons (such as common sense/logic/reason and/or examples from manga scenes/pics/dialogue and explanations about them) as to why you think that Priscilla is superior (preferably provide chapter and page numbers, if you can)! Prove that all the "Teresa supporters" are wrong whom think that it is Teresa whom is superior to Priscilla, hehe!
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    Re: Theresa vs. Priscilla - Who is stronger?

    For me, it is pretty obvius that Teresa is far stronger than Priscilla. I think that 15-20% Teresa could have killed awakened priscila even in a single blow effortlessly.

    Actually I think that Teresa definetly had to die, because if she were alive, then the series would be pointless as there would be no villain capable of fighting her. She was such a pooooowerful one that I think no claymore will equal her ever.

    I bet she will always be the best claymore till the end of the series and I think that's actualy the intention of Yagi, to make her remaining as an unbeatable legend.

    Bye!

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    Re: Theresa vs. Priscilla - Who is stronger?

    Quote Originally Posted by metalia View Post
    For me, it is pretty obvius that Teresa is far stronger than Priscilla. I think that 15-20% Teresa could have killed awakened priscila even in a single blow effortlessly.

    Actually I think that Teresa definetly had to die, because if she were alive, then the series would be pointless as there would be no villain capable of fighting her. She was such a pooooowerful one that I think no claymore will equal her ever.

    I bet she will always be the best claymore till the end of the series and I think that's actualy the intention of Yagi, to make her remaining as an unbeatable legend.

    Bye!
    That is overplaying it, she got caught off guard when she died, but even so if she were "god level" she wouldn't have needed to be on guard to react to a claymore that wasn't fully awakened yet. The swing would just have been too slow.

    She was probably at full release the strongest character, but not by some insane untouchable margin.

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    Re: Theresa vs. Priscilla - Who is stronger?

    I'm a Teresa supporter so I'll be a bit biased, and I don't want to get involved in this debate, so here's some facts only:

    1. No Yoki Release Teresa was superior/more powerful than No Yoki Release Priscilla. (No PYS for Teresa to rely on/use here)

    2. No yoki release Teresa was superior/more powerful to 10-30% or 10-50% Yoki Releasing Priscilla+Irene+Sophia+Noel in a 4v1 against Teresa. Teresa was NOT EVEN TOUCHED by all 4 of them!

    3. 70-79% Yoki Releasing Priscilla was superior/more powerful than No Yoki Release Teresa. (As seen by Teresa gets injured-cut by Priscilla)

    (My favoritism/biasedness: for probably the first time in her life. At least Teresa was never cut-injured by an Awakened rank 1 Rosemary, though Teresa for fun allowed Awakened Rosemary to bash her around a bit first)

    4. 10% Yoki Releasing Teresa was superior/more powerful to 70-79% Yoki Releasing Priscilla.

    5. ~80% (at least 80%) Yoki Releasing Priscilla was superior/more powerful to 10% Yoki Releasing Teresa.

    6. Teresa foolishly reduces her yoki release back BELOW 10% Yoki Release, instead of raising her Yoki Release to 20% or higher. This is seen by her eyes returning to her circular silver iris and circular black pupils (Silver Eyes = BELOW 10% Yoki Release) from her skinny vertical snake-cat-like black pupils (Yellow/Golden Eyes = 10% or higher Yoki Release)

    7. ~80% (at least 80%) Yoki Releasing Priscilla grabs her sword to the foolishly unsuspecting and UNDER 10% yoki Release Teresa, cuts off Teresa's hands and then Teresa's head, killing Teresa.

    8. Priscilla is then no longer able to resist her Awakening, and Awakens into the "one horned winged demon" Awakened that we know her to be now.

    9. Awakenened Priscilla in her Awakened body kills Sophia and Noel, and nearly kills Irene. Awakened Priscilla leaves little human girl Clare alive, despite being hungry, opting to fly off to eat other humans instead. (She would do the same, sparing, both Ophelia and Raki as well)

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    Being superior/more powerful and being able to die are mutually exclusive.

    for examples:

    1. Chuck Liddel could pwn me in a UFC match, as he *IS* far superior/more powerful than me, but even he can be knocked unconscious by even me, if he were to "let me" (or in Teresa's case, foolishly-accidentally "letting Priscilla") attack/punch him, despite his superiority/more powerfulness to/over me (or her-Teresa to/over Priscilla).

    2. Agatha had her head decapitated by Cid, a human. Clearly Cid, a human, is not superior/more powerful than an Awakened rank 2 Agatha. Agatha is killable, by even a human, despite her superiority/more powerfulness. Unfortunately for Cid, that was just a fake head of hers, lol.
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    Re: Theresa vs. Priscilla - Who is stronger?

    Taken from the Fantasy Fights thread:

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    "
    Teresa vs Priscilla

    Why is this even up for debate when Priscilla killed Teresa? Based on that alone Priscilla is the obvious victor here. Priscilla was said to hold potential to surpass Teresa. Meaning even if you're trying to imagine an awakened Teresa the edge in this fight should still go to Priscilla since awakening unlocks ones latent potential. Meaning awakened Priscilla is obviously more powerful than an awakened Teresa.
    "

    -Vengeance

    from http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showpo...22&postcount=9)

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    "
    2. ~"Teresa had a hard time against About-To-Awaken Priscilla" -Vengence

    0-9% yoki release:

    Pupil of their eyes is circular (Silver eyes, but there's no color in the manga, only the anime, so we have to look at their pupils' shape for the manga)

    10-100% yoki release:

    Pupil of their eyes is vertically narrow like a cat's or a snake's (Golden eyes, but there's no color in the manga, only the anime, so we have to look at their pupils' shape for the manga)

    Priscilla at ~70-74% yoki release: chapter 22 page 23

    vs 0-9% yoki release Teresa: chapter 22 pages 23-31

    Priscilla slices Teresa's forehead. 70-74% Priscilla is more powerful than 0-9% Teresa.

    chapter 22 page 31: Teresa is at 0-9% yoki release, as can be seen by her pupils' shape clearly on this page

    vs 10% yoki release Teresa: chapter 22 page 32 - chapter 23 page 13

    chapter 23 page 9: Teresa is at 10% yoki release now, as can be seen by her pupils' shape clearly on this page.

    chapter 23 page 11: Irene states that Teresa is using exactly 10% yoki release to just change her eyes to golden. Teresa is NOT using 10-30% yoki, but rather EXACTLY 10% yoki.

    10% Teresa is seen completely dominating ~70-74% Priscilla once again.

    Priscilla at ~75-79% yoki release: chapter 23 pages 14-15

    ~75-79% Priscilla dominates 10% Teresa, as can be seen with Teresa grimacing to parry Priscilla's sword strike.

    Priscilla at 80-??% yoki release: chapter 23 page 16 - chapter 24 page 21

    Priscilla hits at least 80% yoki, and starts to Awaken, becoming an Awakened.

    chapter 23 page 20:

    Teresa foolishly believes the fight is over and that she can trust Awakening Priscilla to allow herself to be executed so that she may "die with the heart of a human", and thus...

    Teresa LOWERS her yoki back BELOW 10% yoki release, as can be clearly seen by her pupils' circular shape (silver eyes).

    at least 80% yoki release Priscilla decapitates the UNDER yoki releasing 0-9% Teresa (when just a few pages back, we see that 75-79% Priscilla overpowering 10% Teresa. Teresa needed to RAISE her yoki ABOVE 10% yoki, NOT LOWER her yoki BELOW 10%, as we see her do)

    Clearly Priscilla never defeated Teresa, was NEVER superior to Teresa. Had Teresa raised her yoki to 20%, Teresa would never have been decapitated, but unfortunately she foolishly lowered her yoki back below 10% instead, and was thus decapitated.
    "

    -HK

    from http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showpo...8&postcount=10

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    2. About Teresea & Priscilla
    That's all well & good however as the facts actually stand Priscilla killed Teresea which makes her stronger. During this time Priscilla was clearly using youki which means Teresea should have been able to sense what Priscilla was about to do. We all saw Priscilla grab for her sword yet Teresea didn't do a thing about that because she obviously couldn't. Teresea doesn't fight with her full youki because it would clearly be harder for her to sense Priscilla's movements as mentioned with Clare when it was revealed that she does the same thing. Meaning raw power wouldn't necessarily make Teresea stronger but rather would make her weaker in an actual fight.

    When looking at their base form fight Priscilla was clearly on par with Teresea in the beginning but really lost because of a lack of experience & a weak mental state. Simply put Priscilla was not ready to face someone like Teresea due to a lack of experience as a Claymore which is pretty much implied within the manga.

    Once Priscilla started using Youki the fight was pretty much always in Teresea's favor since she could now easily predict Priscilla's actions. 10%, 40%, 70% concepts don't really matter here as it's clearly stated that Priscilla's had latent potential to surpass Teresea which was done when she actually awakened.
    "

    -Vengeance

    from http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showpo...4&postcount=11

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    about Priscilla killing Teresa:

    human Cid decapitated Agatha's (fake) head, if that was in fact her real head, Cid, a human, would have killed an Awakened rank 2, Agatha!

    I hope you're not saying that Cid is superior/more powerful to Agatha, because that's the argument you're making, and as it's completely wrong.

    there's a difference, between killing and ACTUALLY DEFEATING, an opponent.

    let's use a real life example:

    I could NEVER defeat Chuck Liddel in a UFC match. He's irrefutably superior/more powerful compared to me. He'd kick my bottom!

    However, even I could knock him out, if he let down his guard, dropped his power level (if he could do such a thing) or turned off his fight mode, and proverbially "turned his back on me", like Teresa did (fatally foolishly) against Priscilla.

    Teresa is Chuck Liddel, and Priscilla is merely me. Priscilla knocked Teresa out, in the only way that I could knock Chuck Liddel out, we were allowed to do so (or in Teresa's case foolishly-accidentally allowed Priscilla to do so), Priscilla could irrefutably NEVER ACTUALLY DEFEAT Teresa, just as I could NEVER ACTUALLY DEFEAT Chuck Liddel.

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    again, as I tried to point out in my previous post:

    Teresa needed MORE THAN 10% yoki against 80% or more Priscilla.

    But, instead Teresa foolishly LOWERED her yoki BELOW 10%... and thus Priscilla was able to decapitated Teresa (as well as Teresa letting down her guard/wariness/caution, and thinking the fight was over and that Priscilla would willingly let herself be executed by Teresa)

    had Teresa used 20% yoki, Priscilla would not have decapitated Teresa.

    and let's get serious here:

    10% Teresa pwns ~74% Priscilla.

    10% Teresa gets "pwned" (arguably) by ~75-79% Priscilla.

    0-9% Teresa gets decapitated by 80% or more Priscilla, whom is about to Awaken in the next 5 seconds or so.

    Teresa IS superior to Priscilla by 7-8x more so! It would take 7-8 Priscilla's to equal Teresa's power. It's really that simple.

    at just 10% yoki release Teresa was already practically rivalling an about to awaken (nearly 80%) Priscilla.

    trying to compare near 80% near Awakened Priscilla to 10% Teresa, saying how Priscilla is Superior/more powerful, is completely absurd. 10% vs 70%... or even worse 0-9% vs 80-??%

    for me, none of these pro-Priscilla argument points, over-ride these manga points, which are supportive of in Teresa's favor. Also, your argument of Priscilla killing Teresa is an empty one, because it has NOTHING to do with whether Priscilla is more powerful than Teresa or not. Anyone can be killed, and as I pointed out Cid had nearly killed Agatha (if that fake head of hers wasn't fake, lol).
    "

    -HK

    from http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showpo...4&postcount=12

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    "
    About Priscilla vs Teresa
    I'm not comparing Priscilla to Cid since those were two entirely different situations.

    1. Cid had other people there to distract Agatha while Priscilla didn't.

    2. Teresa knew that Priscilla was losing control of herself since you know she was about to awaken. Meaning Teresa should have been on her guard regardless of what Priscilla was saying.

    3. Priscilla while at 80% or whatever first reached for her sword while Teresa was looking right at her before actually cutting off Teresa's hands.

    4. Even after getting her hands chopped off from an opponent who was 1 second ago on their knees & disarmed Teresa still failed to move fast enough to avoid getting her head chopped off.

    What does all of this show? A clear difference in speed obviously. Teresa having the ability to predict attacks before they happened means she should have sensed this however since she wasn't fast enough she couldn't actually do anything to avoid it.

    Making a false assumption about Teresa being at 20% would have dodged it is bullshit. In fact I can now make an assumption about how since she only really fights seriously at 10% that she wouldn't actually be able to predict Priscilla's movement since she'd be using to much youki.

    You seem to fail to understand the actual concept of why Teresa was so powerful. It wasn't simply because of raw physical strength, speed, agility, or youki power but because she was able to predict what her opponents would do before they even had a chance to do it. The argument you're trying to present about Teresa using more youki power would automatically make her a more deadly opponent is a fictitious argument at best when you consider what actually makes her powerful in the first place.
    "

    -Vengeance

    from http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showpo...9&postcount=13


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    my response and reasons for Teresa being superior to Priscilla:


    1. about Priscilla killing Teresa:

    1A. Teresa foolishly fatally (FF) assumed that the fight was over.

    1B. Teresa FF assumed she could trust Orcish Nearly-Awakening Priscilla.

    1C. Teresa FF kept being merciful to Priscilla, due to Clare's catalyst'izing Teresa's softness, into becoming "human-like" even.

    1D. Teresa already defeated Priscilla, able to have decapitated Priscilla at the end of the town battle, but FF chose not too due to her softness, and seeing Clare's face when she looked at Priscilla's.

    1E. Teresa defeated Priscilla again outside of town, but was FF soft again on Priscilla, telling her to change back, instead of decapitating her for a 2nd time.

    1F. Even prior to 1D, Teresa was about to kill Priscilla, but Irene intervened, saving Priscilla's life.

    1G. Teresa pwned Priscilla while they were BOTH not releasing any yoki, so Teresa already proved she could defeat Priscilla without her PYS ability, as she did just that!

    1H. Teresa LOWERED her yoki BACK BELOW 10%, instead of raising it ABOVE 10%, to say 20%

    1I: 10% Teresa pwned 70-79% Priscilla

    1J. Irene herself stated that Teresa was superior:

    Irene: ~"Both have massive yokis far beyond even me, but one is far more massive than the other. Who can stop Priscilla...? I... I... I can't believe it, Teresa just pwned 70-79% Priscilla and her massive power level with just 10% release of her yoki! So, this is Teresa's true power! How stupid was I to think Priscilla's power level could rival Teresa's! Damn.. you Teresa.. but right now, I'm glad, as you're thus able to stop MAD/CRAZED Priscilla!"

    1K. Priscilla herself states that Teresa is getting FASTER, while they fought each other, BOTH not releasing their yokis, which was counter to Irene's DEAD WRONG speech about their individual skills being superior to Teresa's, as Teresa would immediately make Irene a fool, besting each of them at their respective skills, while fighting all 4 of them at once, NEVER getting touched by them once! So, Priscilla was the one whom ACCURATELY sensed Teresa, sensing Teresa's speed increasing against her, yet Teresa wasn't releasing any yoki... so how could that be??? My theory is that Teresa was taking it easy on Priscilla for the first part of their battle against each other with no yoki release. Realizing that Priscilla could match her, at this "taking it easiness", Teresa upped her power, which Priscilla sensed/realized that Teresa was suddenly moving FASTER now, and pwning her. And this was without even releasing yoki. Teresa using using the full extent/power of her 0-9% yoki during the first half of her fight, against Priscilla when they weren't both releasing yoki.

    1L. power level = strength, speed, agility, sword swing quickness, reaction time, and etc.

    1M. Teresa was far superior in power level, which meant Teresa was far superior in strength, speed, agility, sword swing quickness, reaction time, and etc. making a fool of Irene whom was stating that their skills (strength, speed, agility, sword swing quickness, reaction time, and etc) wre superior to Teresa's, but Priscilla, whom was actually fighitng Teresa, knew better, stating that Teresa's speed was increasing against her!

    1N. Priscilla was extremely skilled in combat.

    1O. There's no discernable experience difference between TEresa and Priscilla, as Priscilla was extremely and flawlessly skilled in her combat performance against TEresa.

    1P. Teresa could have killed Rosemary with NO yoki release. Rosemary is/was an Awakened rank 1, just as the Abyssal Ones are, Awakened rank 1's, so that makes Rosemary an Abyssal One by default/definition.

    Not only kill Rosemary at no yoki release, but with her bare hands too!

    I seriously doubt that Priscilla could kill Rosemary as easily as Teresa could. And especially not with her bare hands, nor no yoki release.

    1Q. etc (I have many more points to use as well, but this is quite good enough already)

    2. Teresa said that Priscilla could surpass her in the future:

    I'd propose that Teresa was just pondering this, not entirely sure if it would be true or not, and then she refutes it just a few moments later with this:

    Teresa: "Come after me as many times as you want. I'll cut you down each and every time!"

    Teresa then proves it, as Priscilla does just this, as seen in the battle between them outside of town. Though, despite defeating priscilla, Teresa does get decapitated anyways, entirely due to Teresa's own fault, and nothing to do with the inferior Priscilla, whom just got pwned yet again, knocked on her bottom by just 10% Teresa, even while she was at ~70-74% yoki.

    3. about Teresa being unable to react, resulting in her decapitation/death:

    Teresa was UNDER-powered (and thus wasn't able to react) due to FF LOWERING her yoki BELOW 10%, instead of raising it above 10%, like she needed to do so.

    not to mention all the other reasons as well. psychologically/mentally distracted and non-cautious, soft and merciful, and other such stuff.

    4. About Clare's initial amaturishness in using the PYS:

    this has nothing to do with Teresa's ability in using the PYS. There's no connection to Teresa. There's no reason at all to think that Teresa couldn't release her yoki and still be able to use her PYS as well.

    in fact, Clare herself, rapidly is able to release her own yoki, without it interfering with her PYS ability of sensing her opponent's yoki, as seen alrady in the Ophelia Battle, then the Dauf Battle, than the Pieta Battle, and finally in the Western Land Battle against the Destroyer's projectiles and Priscilla. Clare's an EXTREMELY QUICK LEARNER!

    5. about the PYS:

    all it does is give a few more nanoseconds of time to start reacting before anyone else.
    It really not that great of an ability, far too often over-rated.

    Even with these few extra nanoseconds to start reacting, the Claymore STILL has to have the physical ability to react fast, to move fast, and etc.

    What good is a few extra nanoseconds, if you're still too slow to actually move out of the way in time?

    So, the PYS does offer a slight advantage to Teresa (and now Clare), Teresa (and Clare) STILL have to have that physical speed and reaction time to take advantage of the small advantage from the PYS.

    The PYS doesn't make Teresa power/dominant/superior, it only adds a few extra nanoseconds to start reacting. EVERYTHING ELSE (STRENGTH, SPEED, AGILITY, REACTION TIME, and ETC) IS ALL TERESA'S POWER LEVEL'S DOING!

    The clear proof of that is Clare

    Clare still gets hit even with the PYS, whereas Teresa never did including without using the PYS as Priscilla wasn't releasing any yoki in their first battle (except the single time by Priscilla, cutting Teresa's forehead, and of course Teresa's decapitation/death too). So what's the difference? It's not the PYS, it's the difference in Teresa's power level vs Clare's power level.

    6. "I'm not comparing Priscilla to Cid since those were two entirely different situations. 1. Cid had other people there to distract Agatha while Priscilla didn't." -Vengeance

    distraction is distraction, whether it is by others or by self. non-focus/concentration/wariness/caution IS non-focus/concentration/wariness/caution.
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    Re: Theresa vs. Priscilla - Who is stronger?

    During the fight between Theresa and Priscilla. Theresa was stronger due to experience and age difference. Just like Theresa notice it too. Given time and experience, Priscilla would have been stronger.

    Even when Priscilla awaken, she wasn't as strong as she should be too because she wasn't fully awaken.

    During the fight with Lucilia vs Ieseley. Riful was about to destroy Ieseley but Priscilla was there. Riful can sense that Priscilla has fully awaken and she was much much stronger then anyone of them. So she ran off back to the east.

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