Nightmare Luffy vs Kuma

[modoki]

What would've happened if luffy had no time limit with the 100 shadows contained in his body...

[kkck]

I would go for kuma. His ability is way too haxed and his body is borderline indestructible. I am sure kuma would have to go all out though but I think his reflection attacks, teleporting and shocks would deal severe damage and eventually defeat luffy. Also the nightmare luffy form actually hurts luffy's body so even if it does not run out the side effects would still worsen as time pass.

[DARK]

When one considers a vs. Kuma fight, most people would immediately declare that Kuma will win. His Paw Paw abilities can get rid of any opponent he wants freely.
Even if the battle was conditioned so that Kuma couldn't use his DF abilities, Kuma will still win regardless. Kuma is a Pacifista and his skin is stronger/harder than steel. He is also harder/sturdier than a PX Kuma; it took Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji to use their ultimate attacks just to break down the PX Kuma's shell. Even if Luffy was infused with 100 shadows and he had no time limit to revert back to normal, I still don't think he can oppose Kuma.

[kkck]

When one considers a vs. Kuma fight, most people would immediately declare that Kuma will win. His Paw Paw abilities can get rid of any opponent he wants freely.
Even if the battle was conditioned so that Kuma couldn't use his DF abilities, Kuma will still win regardless. Kuma is a Pacifista and his skin is stronger/harder than steel. He is also harder/sturdier than a PX Kuma; it took Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji to use their ultimate attacks just to break down the PX Kuma's shell. Even if Luffy was infused with 100 shadows and he had no time limit to revert back to normal, I still don't think he can oppose Kuma.

I don't think kuma would stand a chance without his fruit lol. He has a crazy body and lazers but overall powerful hits can in fact defeat a pacifista. Even if marginal, gear 3 luffy was able to deal at least some damage to it. nightmare luffy is a number of times stronger than that. Kuma would still put a fight without his powers but definitely won't keep up with luffy at that stage. I do think kuma as we know him can trash nightmare luffy though.

[redred]

couldnt kuma "reject" the shadows out of luffys body? just a thought

[Darkever]

With standard time limit on Nightmare Luffy, he obviously couldn't do it. But if we consider it a permanent state, then it's all another matter.

Nightmare Luffy was easily able to destroy Oz, without even using Gear 2, and in Nightmare mode, gear 2 is surely even more devastating! It's true that Kuma can reflect attacks, but to do that he has to catch them with his palms. Nightmare Luffy may be too fast for him: I don't see him deflecting a nightmare jet gatling. That leaves the teleport stuff, but we saw that Iva managed to hit him without hit teleporting, so I guess it's not able to evade everything, or maybe it has a cooldown between teleports.

[kkck]

couldnt kuma "reject" the shadows out of luffys body? just a thought

It is possible. Considering kuma repelled something as wounds, it seems he can repel anything at all even when not actually tangible.

[RichardMNixon]

With standard time limit on Nightmare Luffy, he obviously couldn't do it. But if we consider it a permanent state, then it's all another matter.

Nightmare Luffy was easily able to destroy Oz, without even using Gear 2, and in Nightmare mode, gear 2 is surely even more devastating! It's true that Kuma can reflect attacks, but to do that he has to catch them with his palms. Nightmare Luffy may be too fast for him: I don't see him deflecting a nightmare jet gatling. That leaves the teleport stuff, but we saw that Iva managed to hit him without hit teleporting, so I guess it's not able to evade everything, or maybe it has a cooldown between teleports.

I got the general impression that the pacifistas and PX-0 were more sluggish than the original Kuma, like Vegapunk couldn't make a computer quite up to par with the brain. We never saw him teleport in the war did we?

The time limit is irrelevant, though; this won't be a long fight. Nightmare Luffy vs Thriller Bark Kuma comes down to who gets the first hit. A paw on Luffy will send him away and I don't see even Kuma putting up much of a fight after taking a Nightmare Axe to the dome.

[Wrath]

If Nightmare Luffy can stack Gear 2 and Gear 3, then... well, that's a quite ridiculous level of strength. Of course it's possible that Nightmare Luffy was already using Soru, so Gear 2 wouldn't make much of a difference.

[Gcat88]

actually i think it depends whose shadow is put inside of him. What if he got WB´s shadow?? What if he got Kuma's shadow???? The possibilities are limitless!!!! But in terms of Power, Kuma would probably win. Damn guy can push out PAIN!!!!

[firework]

wow im surprised so many ppl are in favor of Kuma in this battle. I know my logic isnt perfect, but:
Entire SH Crew > 1 Pacifista
Oz+Moria > Entire SH Crew
NM Luffy > Oz + Moria
Kuma > 1 Pacifista

Kuma's only advantages over pacifistas are his brain and his DF ability, everything else is the same about them. NM Luffy, who is much much stronger and faster than the SH crew should not have much trouble attacking and applying major pressure to Kuma. Kuma isnt indestructible, if the SH can beat Pacifistas of similar durability, NM Luffy should be able to beat Kuma.

NM Luffy wins.
Note: if NM Luffy were able to Gear Stack (which he logically should be able to do), this would approach stompage-level for him. In addition, NM Luffy's swordsmanship should be greater than or at the very least equal to Zoro's skills (dont forget, Zoro was able to injure Kuma whlle in a weakened state).

[RichardMNixon]

wow im surprised so many ppl are in favor of Kuma in this battle. I know my logic isnt perfect, but:
Entire SH Crew > 1 Pacifista
Oz+Moria > Entire SH Crew
NM Luffy > Oz + Moria
Kuma > 1 Pacifista

No, Kuma >>>>> 1 Pacifista, the Straw Hat Crew was left panting and breathless. Kuma casually tossed it aside like it was nothing. The paws are completely broken. If Luffy is faster maybe he can get some good hits in, but the Paw Paw fruit ends fights in one hit.
Plus NM Luffy only beat up Oz, the Straw Hats finished him by working together, remember? Franky built the hose and Nami froze him and all that?

Without Kuma's DF of course, Nightmare Luffy wins handily.

[Poneglyph420]

wow im surprised so many ppl are in favor of Kuma in this battle. I know my logic isnt perfect, but:

Kuma's only advantages over pacifistas are his brain and his DF ability, everything else is the same about them. NM Luffy, who is much much stronger and faster than the SH crew should not have much trouble attacking and applying major pressure to Kuma. Kuma isnt indestructible, if the SH can beat Pacifistas of similar durability, NM Luffy should be able to beat Kuma.

Kuma even if he's been turned to PX "0" is still the original or prototype version. If if the other PX's are clones or copies otherwise, they are not the real Kuma. IMHO that makes a huge difference. It's not just his Biology or "brain" (Psychology) but also his "force of will". While not yet verified since his "transformation".. Kuma is vastly superior.

That said NM Luffy would pose a threat to Kuma, but the Paw Paw would end up being the deciding factor. But I however don't think NM Luffy could possibly win, just piss off Kuma. Or maybe break a few parts...
Up til now the only person who has even came close to standing head to head with Kuma is Iva. IMHO Kuma even as a drone is Hax thanks to the Paw Paw....

[St Michael]

The winner depends of which Kuma we're talking about.
PX0 or the original one.

PX0 is dumb and barely use the DF , honestly I can only remember of him using it 1 time , againt Oz Jr. He repelled nothing.
Against "that" , NM Luffy wins , I mean , even Iva (who's strong , but not that much) beat him up.

Against real Kuma , no way. He would be sent flying in a instant.

[firework]

^ do you consider getting sent flying as a victory? I would more consider it a tie or stalemate. I suppose if he could send people into the ocean, it would be a win, but he's always sent people to land and he's never shown the ability to send people into the ocean.

His attacks shouldnt be hard to avoid, an extremely battered zoro was avoiding them and NM Luffy is alot faster. The only trouble i can see Luffy having was if Kuma started teleporting but i think that with gear 2nd and 100 shadows, he should be fast enough to keep up.

also, if zoro could injure Kuma in his state, NM Luffy def could

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No, Kuma >>>>> 1 Pacifista, the Straw Hat Crew was left panting and breathless. Kuma casually tossed it aside like it was nothing. The paws are completely broken. If Luffy is faster maybe he can get some good hits in, but the Paw Paw fruit ends fights in one hit.
Plus NM Luffy only beat up Oz, the Straw Hats finished him by working together, remember? Franky built the hose and Nami froze him and all that?

Without Kuma's DF of course, Nightmare Luffy wins handily.

Kuma tossed the PX with his fruit, but that doesnt mean he beat it. Sending it to another island isnt a win. The Paws are not completely broken; a fast character like Zoro can evade them and injure the user. NM G2 Lufy is definitely faster and he can definitely get some hits in, but the Paw Paw fruit will not end the fight in one hit.

NM Luffy beat up Oz, but couldnt finish him because of a time limit. If NM Luffy had infinite time, he wouldve reduced Oz to dust. In this battle, he has infinite time.

Even with Kuma's DF, NM Luffy should be able to win.