Sasuke and Sakura Vs Naruto and Kakashi

[THM Nindo]

This could be a though one...
Who would win if Sasuke and Sakura would team up against Naruto and Kakashi?

Rules :
- Naruto is already in Sage Mode
- Sasuke has MS up to the last version of Susanoo that he showed (the archer Susanoo)

We can analyze it in two ways...
1- Just by the jutsu
2- Try to see how it would go in the manga.

For example : We can say that Naruto could kill Sakura with a FRS, but we if we analyze it by trying to see how this fight would go in a manga, I'd say that Naruto will not want to hurt Sakura, and will never go for a kill-shot like FRS.

In the real manga, only Sasuke and Kakashi would be going for the kill-shot IMO.
That could change the result considerably.

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I think that Naruto and Sasuke are probably equal by now. MS is indredible, but so is Sage Mode. I have yet to see something as strong as Sage Mode.

As for Kakashi and Sakura... Kakashi has more experience and should be able to defeat her in a fight, as long as he stay away from her punches and the little surprises that she can have (poison needles, maybe?).

IMO, Naruto and Kakashi would win this, as long as Naruto doesn't get caught in Sasuke's genjutsu right away, and as long as Kakashi is the one dealing with Sakura (Naruto will never be able to win against Sakura, because he wouldn't want to hurt her, IMO).

But, simply because Kakashi is a key element in a fight (unlike Sakura), I have to give it to them.

[Lightsnake]

This is utter, utter destruction from Naruto and Kakashi. Sakura is worthless and Kamui is one of the things that can bypass Susanoo.

[elitefox]

True enough... As I have posted, Naruto's FRS is as useless as sakura since he doesn't want/will use it unless it is for a kill or a summon but wtf if use against people like sasuke and sakura... I doubt that susanoo can withstand that(just another cloak no big deal) but with mirror of something maybe it can deflect


but even so sage mode finger is enough I think to pound a half dead sasuke.

MS is indredible, but so is Sage Mode. I have yet to see something as strong as Sage Mode.

remember uchiha = eyes, senju = strong body though I don't know if sage mode is senju tech.

or the first hokage can walk,run, breath natural energy for all we know.

I also bet that natural energy cannot be seen by sharingan. (This might be an advantage imho)

and if the sharingan cannot see sage chakra, naruto can use non-spotted clones

but yeah sasuke has amaterasu... finish off a bunch of clones then? create more clones... sakura tries to hinder the clones... no luck, sage mode clones are more powerful...

[jdw]

Kakashi & Naruto take this convincingly. Sakura dies outright in first 10 seconds of the fight and then Naruto & Kakashi stomp the crap out of Sasuke. Naruto alone can compete with Sasuke. Team him up with Kakashi and there is no path to victory for Sasuke.

[Darth Executor]

Kakashi & Naruto take this convincingly. Sakura dies outright in first 10 seconds of the fight and then Naruto & Kakashi stomp the crap out of Sasuke. Naruto alone can compete with Sasuke. Team him up with Kakashi and there is no path to victory for Sasuke.

I think Naruto is stronger overall than Sasuke but compatibility issues swing the match so far in Sasuke's direction that it's not even funny.

Anyway, I think sakura is out of everyone else's league so if naruto and kakashi can't win then they should quit the manga right now.

[jdw]

I think Naruto is stronger overall than Sasuke but compatibility issues swing the match so far in Sasuke's direction that it's not even funny.

Anyway, I think sakura is out of everyone else's league so if naruto and kakashi can't win then they should quit the manga right now.

Yeah, Sasuke's tools are sick, I agree. His genjutsu would be problematic for Naruto under all current evidence. The fight with Danzou showed that Sasuke knows how to take advantage of fuuton with his katon when he flamed the baku. Sasuke's hawk changes the battlfield as well. Still, If Naruto summons Ma, and has Ma summon Pa, I think the battle could end pretty quickly. Sasuke cannot beat 3 sages and Kakashi.

[Darth Executor]

Yeah, Sasuke's tools are sick, I agree. His genjutsu would be problematic for Naruto under all current evidence. The fight with Danzou showed that Sasuke knows how to take advantage of fuuton with his katon when he flamed the baku. Sasuke's hawk changes the battlfield as well. Still, If Naruto summons Ma, and has Ma summon Pa, I think the battle could end pretty quickly. Sasuke cannot beat 3 sages and Kakashi.

The frogs are a non-issue. they have no way of dodging amaterasu or susanoo arrows (especially if sasuke can genjutsu them so they can't even move for a split second). I do think with kakashi there sasuke will probably lose (narauto can open up susanoo with frs but kakashi has to go for the kill otherwise sasuke will just genjutsu naruto and kill him) but naruto on his own? not likely

[jdw]

Each can potentially just release the summon to dodge an arrow and be summoned back by the remaining toad. Pa was able to dodge Pain's hand missile, which also exploded upon impact. So he has enough speed to evade rapidly moving projectiles. Amaterasu might be an issue, but Ma can screw up Sasuke's battlefield vision & focus with Sage Tech Dust Cloud, possibly making it tougher for Sasuke to cast Amaterasu accurately. And possibly freeze Sasuke or his bird in his tracks with this sonic jutsu.

Basically, I don't think the toads would be useless. They have skills that are great for this battle if people look at them fairly. They are the strongest summon creatures to appear in the manga so far imo and should not be looked down on.

[Darth Executor]

Each can potentially just release the summon to dodge an arrow and be summoned back by the remaining toad. Pa was able to dodge Pain's hand missile, which also exploded upon impact. So he has enough speed to evade rapidly moving projectiles.

Pa was planning on getting away ASAP. Why didn't he do that when Pain killed him? I think that as we've seen so far, it's not part of their normal strategies and won't think of doing it during an actual battle.

Amaterasu might be an issue, but Ma can screw up Sasuke's battlefield vision & focus with Sage Tech Dust Cloud, possibly making it tougher for Sasuke to cast Amaterasu accurately. And possibly freeze Sasuke or his bird in his tracks with this sonic jutsu.

Sharingan can see chakra. the song is easily intrerupted with amaterasu or heck, just tossing a few chidori senbons (assuming sasuke would actually bother to spend most of the fight flying around, which i highly doubt)/

Basically, I don't think the toads would be useless. They have skills that are great for this battle if people look at them fairly. They are the strongest summon creatures to appear in the manga so far imo and should not be looked down on.

I don't think the toads are useless, just useless for this fight.

[jdw]

Pa was planning on getting away ASAP. Why didn't he do that when Pain killed him? I think that as we've seen so far, it's not part of their normal strategies and won't think of doing it during an actual battle.



Sharingan can see chakra. the song is easily intrerupted with amaterasu or heck, just tossing a few chidori senbons (assuming sasuke would actually bother to spend most of the fight flying around, which i highly doubt)/



I don't think the toads are useless, just useless for this fight.

Sharingan can see chakra, but different situation produce different results. While Sasuke can see something planted under dirt (to what distance is not known--an inch vs. 75 ft, for example), Kakashi could not see through a mist jutsu with sharingan, and there is no proof that Sasuke's sharingan can. He had to use blood and dogs to locate Zabuza. The dust cloud jutsu is a fuuton jutsu (has chakra) and more similar to the mist jutsu (area of coverage, effect) than it is to stationary non-jutsu dirt atop a mine to some unknown depth.

[Smokes]

Well, I think it's not fair giving Sakura to Sasuke. Kishi hasn't given her anything new in forever....unless you count smoke bombs. I'm thinking that Sasuke will need to focus to much on both Kakashi and Naruto individually to avoid getting blindsided, because after a few seconds, he'll be fighting by himself.
Naruto will no doubt make a bee line to Sasuke and Kakashi will make a slight detour to knock Sakura out while he caught up to Naruto and calmed him down so they could work a plan.
I would have Kakashi flanking left, using a clone and doton doryuheki to obscure his location, and Naruto flanking right using clones as an amaterasu barrier and then launching an ffrs. While Sasuke was dealing with that, Kakashi should have time to use kamui while Naruto began to fire off another ffrs. I guess it would come down to how fast kakashi ran out of chakra, and how tough susano'o really is.
When Sakura wakes up, the place will be a mess.

[ninjabot]

Sasuke defeats Naruto. Sasuke defeats Kakashi definitively. But he can't beat them both at the same time. He just can't. Naruto was given a character to mask all of his shortcomings (intelligence, versatility, stealth) where as Sasuke was given a character that forces them both to rely on Sasuke's strength and skill alone.

Just can't be done.

EDIT: Also, disregard anything referring to toads besides Gamabunta. Considering that the only person skilled at summoning on Naruto's team is Kakashi, and he has no access to the Toad Pact. Unless Fukusaku starts off pre-summoned on the battlefield, we won't be seeing him.

[jdw]

There is no reason to disregard Fukasaku & Shima. I do not know where you are getting this.

[ninjabot]

^Who's going to summon them?

Who in this fight has shown the ability to summon Fukusaku or Shima? A name, followed by a mangascan of said character doing so, and you've got an argument. But we've been down this road what...3 times already?

[jdw]

^Who's going to summon them?

Who in this fight has shown the ability to summon Fukusaku or Shima? A name, followed by a mangascan of said character doing so, and you've got an argument. But we've been down this road what...3 times already?

Naruto has shown the ability to summon what he wants when he wants on occasion. He might even fail the first time and succeed the second like against Gaara (but he got Gamabunta when he wanted him). Now Sage Naruto may want to summon Fukasaku or Shima. They are his summons. They are his new tools now. There is no proof of him wanting to summon them and being unable to do so. Produce a mangascan of him failing to summon them in a battle (even counting multiple tries).