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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
Wonder if starrk was aided by some form of kido of sorts with aizens help. Starrk disappeared way too fast and orihime was instantly were aizen was. COnsidering how much and how long ichigo has to move to get to orihime I would find it hard to believe starrk simply used sonido to travel roughly 25% of las noches that fast.
man, Kenpachi's spiritual pressure alone would be enough to beat the shit out of Captain Tuberculosis. oh, well, maybe that's overstating it. but seriously Kenpachi would win. nothing we have seen of Ukitake has confirmed that he is on the level of strongest captains
Last edited by igotthegoods; April 19, 2010 at 12:08 PM. Reason: character bashing
Ken is too slow. Before he one shot Nnoi, he was getting thrashed sideways. He couldn't keep up with the swords of the level 5 espada and lets be honest. Nnoi is just so much slower and weaker than Uli and everyone above. At best, Ken is a touch faster than shikai Ichigo (albeit much stronger).
Uki is miles and miles faster. He is also one of the best kido users in SS:
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/165/11/ -this is what kido by a good user does
Uki will poke holes in ken while he is kendoing thin air. God forbid he tries using a higher level kido. Uki also has the benefit of two swords. One to block, one to slice through ken, while ken struggles with the speed.
And then we have bankai. Don't know what it does, but if it increases Uki's power by 5 to 10 times, Ken is boned.
Like Aizen said ichigo fights was set up and each time the enemy was stronger renji/kenpachi/byakuya http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/397/06/ this means Kenpachi is just like a kid if you want compare him to Ukitake.
After some thought, I think Uki might actually be a melee fighter by nature. First is his dual swords which scream melee and next is his negate energy blasts.
If you are fighting someone who will just throw your energy attacks back at you, you are forced to fight melee. Uki's shikai is designed to force the enemy to fight sword to sword, unless they are so stupid they get killed by their own attack.
kenpachi:- yare yare you dont look strong
Ukitake:- um.. eh.. hmmm
kenpachi:- lost your tongue
Ukitake:- hmph, I'll discipline you
Kenpachi:- ahahaha ora ora ora
ukitake:- hmmm you'r strong no doubt
"nami kotogotoku waga tate to nare, ikazuchi kotogotoku waga yaiba to nare"
Kenpachi:- 2 swords? interesting
Ukitake:- this is the first and last time you'll be seeing this. Kido....
Kenpachi:- hmmm eh?
Ukitake:- rest in peace
grrr grrr grgr grg r g
Kenpachi:- you hide behind your kido, not worthy of a warrioir
Ukitake:- ya..yamase.. sensei
Kenpachi:- yachiru come, onward to next
And no, it is not an assumption that Juushirou is the only character in bleach, that we know of, that has an ability that can absorb and redirect yamamoto's flames. Yeah, Yamamoto may have other things he can do but let's face it, 90% of what he does involves fire.
On another note, Kenpachi has had an arm put through his body too, yet he keeps on fighting, unlike Juushirou. If Juushirou couldn't survive that attack from WW, then there's no way he's surviving a cut from an eye patch-less Kenpachi. Whereas Juushirou could cut Kenpachi all day long with his inefficiently shaped shikai and Ken would still be standing there (most likely grinning too).
Please calm down. Personal arguments should not exist (or if they do exist, on PMs so you don't get in trouble (hopefully)).
Anyways, as for the topic, ignoring some... heated arguments.....
I personally don't think that Kenpachi would "own" Ukitake. I mean, we haven't seen much of Uki and we've seen a good deal of Kenpachi. Ukitake has no battle evidence to support that he is strong (other than redirecting cero meteroletra which was apparently capable of harming Shunsui (or else he wouldn't have tried to dodge them)), he has the praise of Yama-jii, and we know that him and Shunsui (and Unohana and Yama) were one of the "old guard" even 100 years ago, meaning that they were all older than all the vizards by quite a bit.
Basically, there isn't much canonical evidence for Ukitake since we've seen so little of him and his abilities in battle, but just because he isn't proven in battle, doesn't mean that he's not a very venerable opponent (although, it's perfectly possible that he is just a weakling, but background on Ukitake suggests otherwise). As lack of evidence is not proper evidence, nobody can say here without a doubt that Kenny>Ukitake (conversely, nobody can say that Ukitake>Kenpachi). So this really is a poll based on opinions.
I personally believe that Ukitake will be a capable fighter due to his experience and praise from other captains. Thus I believe that Kenpachi would not own in him a fight.
the point of ukitake going down by a single hit while kenpachi being capable of enduring severe wounds is a crucial factor too. I think ukitake is too sick too engage in a long duel with anyone and kenpachi is a long duel specialist, unless ukitake like yama can bring kenpachi to his knees by displaying some refined swordsmanship, this fight can go either way, uki seems to have lost his touch due to his illness
Yama also knows about uki's abilities. So someone as smart as him wouldn't use fire so carefree to have it used back against him
And Kenpachi has one of the highest stamina in all of bleach. You make fun of uki and yet someone who has muscles like kensei got owned by a sword stab and so did all the other vizards. Uki was actually hit by arguably the strongest arrancar we have yet seen. Yea, ken can hurt uki, but thing is can he catch him. And saying that ken can tank uki's attack is another assumption considering uki is guess what.. praised by yama as one of the top captain
yeah this is the difference, top tier captain vs. a brutal monster. unrefined at best is what i would call kenpachi. Uki might not have the brute strength or the power that ken-chan has, but he's got experience on his side, super speed, and wits about him that ken probably has no business caring for. I would say it'd be a hard fight with no winner. Ken would get bored because Uki doesn't find pleasure in fighting or killing those who aren't a match for him. Like Lillinette. He swatted her cero away like it was nothing.
Dont know Uki's full skills yet but based on hype alone i think he would take it...He has been since the SS Arc along with Shunsui, and IMO Shunsui definitely did not disappoint, i don't expect Ukitake to either....Kenpachi is my fav character ( along with Aizen and GJ) but i think he would lose this one..
Ken all the way. Ukitake's Shikai is useless in this fight, and he doesn't have anything we know of that is going to put Ken down. He'd put up a good fight just beacuse of how skilled he is, but he'd eventually be overpowered or outlasted.