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    Re: Obervations and questions after re-reading manga

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    Does anyone find it strange that Isley was practicing his swordsmanship (in the chapter where Raki saw him and asked him to each him)? After all, against serious opponents he wouldn't use it. Does he even have to practice? Can they toughen up and build muscles or improve in any other way? Or was it just his sentiment showing and a way to remember the good old times?
    Isely was the type for foolish sentiments... such as his mock "family" with Prissy and Raki
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    Re: Obervations and questions after re-reading manga

    Quote Originally Posted by Goral View Post
    Does anyone find it strange that Isley was practicing his swordsmanship (in the chapter where Raki saw him and asked him to each him)? After all, against serious opponents he wouldn't use it. Does he even have to practice? Can they toughen up and build muscles or improve in any other way? Or was it just his sentiment showing and a way to remember the good old times?
    .....Roflmao XDXD

    You know, I never really gave it much thought -- I guess he was just doing it for the nostalgia: as you say, it's not like he really needed it. Awakened don't need exercise as far as we know, and swords are largely redundant next to his own organic weaponry.

    Maybe he wanted to keep his own skills so he was still sharp with using a sword without necessarily relying on his abilities....in which case, again, he was just doing it for the nostalgia.
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    Why some Claymores are better at sensing than others?

    Up till Galatea became blind no one thought that sensing Claymores on suppressant pills was possible. So it wasn't that youki wasn't being emitted, it was so minuscule that only exceptional sensor could detect it. It's not impossible then, that even after 7 years of not releasing youki the best of the best sensor (i.e. Teresa) could detect youki so small that even blind Galatea would not be able to detect. And since she could sense cloaked Priscilla once she focused on her (which her words about harbouring a monster suggest) and sense Rafaela when she was a child, it's very probable that Teresa was able to do it. Going back to my needle analogy, just because we can't hear a sound of such high frequency as children can, it doesn't mean they're undetectable by others.

    Also, let's think for a while why some Claymores are better at sensing than others. The way I see it youki plays a very large role in it (as in almost every Claymore statistic). For example, why Galatea is much better than Cynthia or Tabitha? Even when she wasn't blind she could do something no one else could (AFAWK) - sense emotions and had a larger range. Once she got blind she could focus on youki sensing better and probably find what she was looking for more easily. But why Tabitha, even when she closes her eyes can't even come close to Galatea? They way I see it she's about the same sensor as Clare or Cynthia, they've just left her this task to not be a completely redundant person. What if youki pool and youki "strength" (the factor by which the power increases) is the main factor? Before you dismiss it as baseless speculation let's look at databooks.

    Spoiler: databooks stats: show

    The conclusion is simple: the more youki you have the better sensor you are since the difference between youki power and sensing is minimal. In fact, other stats in most cases differ more than sensing. Youki obviously amplifies every ability and just like turtle AB could manipulate Claymores on a whole different level than Galatea (since he had more youki at his disposal) Teresa could have a wider range in sensing than Galatea. And let's not forget about one other thing, According to databooks Teresa is the only Claymore able to use detailed youki perception to fight her enemies. Translation of databooks by Zefyris:
    "Detailed youki perception
    An example of a specialised application for battle of an high ability in youki perception.
    Even the youki-raging flash sword is accurately perceived and overwhelmed.
    This is an high level technique which cannot be handled by anyone except Teresa, surpassing all abilities."


    We know that Clare could do it but since she has Teresa inside it's no wonder (and still she was worse than Teresa at this). Graph 2 also suggests that Galatea might have similar ability but she's worse at it even than Clare.

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    Re: Obervations and questions after re-reading manga

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    According to databooks Teresa is the only Claymore able to use detailed youki perception to fight her enemies.
    That was until we saw Roxanne and Neideen right? Didnt Neideen fight using youki perception? I'll have to read the manga again but I thought the description was pretty similar to how Teresa fought. Also how does Galatea fight since she's blind? Would t she also have to use some sort of Yoki perception as well?? It would have to be something similar to how Clare fought the male AB in the slasher arc.

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    Re: Obervations and questions after re-reading manga

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    That was until we saw Roxanne and Neideen right? Didnt Neideen fight using youki perception? I'll have to read the manga again but I thought the description was pretty similar to how Teresa fought. Also how does Galatea fight since she's blind? Would t she also have to use some sort of Yoki perception as well?? It would have to be something similar to how Clare fought the male AB in the slasher arc.
    Neideen could fight using yoki perception....she could do it so well that she could fight with her remaining eye closed and still fight perfectly ....and i assume Roxanne could do something like that aswell
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    Re: Obervations and questions after re-reading manga

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    Well, Teresa was the only one who was master of that technique. Graph 2 suggests that Clare is an expert at best and Galatea an apprentice. As for Neideen, I think she was even worse than Galatea at that but it sufficed to overcome the handicap of having only one eye. Otherwise she would have been mentioned in Databook along with Teresa. As for Galatea being able to fight her enemies that way, it's manga magick. Otherwise she would stumble upon many obstacles (which do not emit youki, like buildings, rocks, rubble, people, etc.)

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    Re: Obervations and questions after re-reading manga

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    Well, Teresa was the only one who was master of that technique. Graph 2 suggests that Clare is an expert at best and Galatea an apprentice. As for Neideen, I think she was even worse than Galatea at that but it sufficed to overcome the handicap of having only one eye. Otherwise she would have been mentioned in Databook along with Teresa. As for Galatea being able to fight her enemies that way, it's manga magick. Otherwise she would stumble upon many obstacles (which do not emit youki, like buildings, rocks, rubble, people, etc.)
    Neideen was just introduced this year...so would she even be in the data books?
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    Well, Teresa was the only one who was master of that technique. Graph 2 suggests that Clare is an expert at best and Galatea an apprentice. As for Neideen, I think she was even worse than Galatea at that but it sufficed to overcome the handicap of having only one eye. Otherwise she would have been mentioned in Databook along with Teresa. As for Galatea being able to fight her enemies that way, it's manga magick. Otherwise she would stumble upon many obstacles (which do not emit youki, like buildings, rocks, rubble, people, etc.)
    Number12michael asked the same question I was going to ask. The data books don't include hysteria Cassandra and roxanne correct? I haven't seen the data books in a while though. Its not hard to believe that Roxanne was as capable as Teresa in yoki perception. Or Neideen for that matter.

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    Re: Obervations and questions after re-reading manga

    Quote Originally Posted by hh707 View Post
    Number12michael asked the same question I was going to ask. The data books don't include hysteria Cassandra and roxanne correct? I haven't seen the data books in a while though. Its not hard to believe that Roxanne was as capable as Teresa in yoki perception. Or Neideen for that matter.
    Roxanne surpassed Neideen in power(and in mastery of Neideens technique),

    But i always thought Roxanne and Teresa had different ability's, Teresa had Acute Yoki Sensing Ability , While Roxanne had Yaoi Synchronization(which she used to master Neideens Yoki perception ability )...


    And i just noticed something Roxanne could have given Teresa a run for her money in a fight.....Roxanne can Completly Completely hide her yoki from one specific target....would that not stop Teresas ability? and Roxanne also had many other Techniques up her sleeve...
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    Roxanne surpassed Neideen in power(and in mastery of Neideens technique),

    But i always thought Roxanne and Teresa had different ability's, Teresa had Acute Yoki Sensing Ability , While Roxanne had Yaoi Synchronization(which she used to master Neideens Yoki perception ability )...


    And i just noticed something Roxanne could have given Teresa a run for her money in a fight.....Roxanne can Completly Completely hide her yoki from one specific target....would that not stop Teresas ability? and Roxanne also had many other Techniques up her sleeve...
    That's true, I forgot Roxanne surpassed Neideen's abilities. I feel like i'm going to open up a can of worms but what's the difference between Acute Yoki Sensing ability and Yoki perception? How do they differ in a fight.
    Roxanne and Rafaela would both have given Teresa a run for their money. Who knows how powerful Rafaela became in the end? Maybe she was close to the level of Teresa we don't know, but for either of them to win they would have had to have the element of surprise. I've always said that if Rafaela replace Priscilla in the hunting party, Teresa would have been killed easily. I doubt Roxanne would have tried to kill Teresa though, she would have tried to steal Teresa's ability. Imagine if Roxanne did possess the acute yoki sensing ability, she would have been unstoppable.

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    Re: Obervations and questions after re-reading manga

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    That's true, I forgot Roxanne surpassed Neideen's abilities. I feel like i'm going to open up a can of worms but what's the difference between Acute Yoki Sensing ability and Yoki perception? How do they differ in fight.
    Roxanne and Rafaela would both have given Teresa a run for their money. Who knows how powerful Rafaela became in the end? Maybe she was close to the level of Teresa we don't know, but for either of them to win they would have had to have the element of surprise. I've always said that if Rafaela replace Priscilla in the hunting party, Teresa would have been killed easily. I doubt Roxanne would have tried to kill Teresa though, she would have tried to steal Teresa's ability. Imagine if Roxanne did possess the acute yoki sensing ability, she would have been unstoppable.
    way i see it Acute yoki sensing allows Teresa to see even the most minute amount of yoki.....even before its used.....and Yoki perception allows the user to read and feel yoki basically its the lesser version of Teresas ability

    And yeah Roxanne would have been crazy with her ability but i am sure teresa would have caught on to what Roxanne was doing lol.
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    way i see it Acute yoki sensing allows Teresa to see even the most minute amount of yoki.....even before its used.....and Yoki perception allows the user to read and feel yoki basically its the lesser version of Teresas ability
    Since Roxannes Yoki perception exceeded neideens after a certain point and no doubt got better over time could she have developed it into acute sensing? Considering it is Roxanne we are talking about nothing would surprise me, especially if she used that technique in battle. Also in the beginning it seems as if it took Roxanne a while to copy techniques blades of evil and the Yoki perception but it doesn't sound like it took a long time to copy Elizabeth's sword technique. Could she just look at a technique once and be able to copy it? It doesn't sound as if she was with Elizabeth for an extended amount of time before she got the technique. She was with Cassandra for a while but that's probably because it took that long to gain Cassandra's trust.

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    Re: Obervations and questions after re-reading manga

    Saying that Roxanne or Rafaela exceeded Teresa is silly. I'm not in the mood to explain why, you can either search through my older posts or ignore this comment.

    On a different topic (it's sad that my main question hasn't been discussed at all), why no one of the ABs has tried to help Rigaldo and the rest of ABs was doing nothing to stop someone who could possibly annihilate them all once she would get rid of the strongest of them?

    And a second question:



    Rubel said that "the orphans from the CONTINENTS are divided and transported away". I know that plural form and singular form look the same in Japanese but I wonder whether kanji for an island and a continent are the same. If not that would be a real blunder on Rubel's/Yagi's part.
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    Re: Obervations and questions after re-reading manga

    Quote Originally Posted by Goral View Post
    Rubel said that "the orphans from the CONTINENTS are divided and transported away". I know that plural form and singular form look the same in Japanese but I wonder whether kanji for an island and a continent are the same. If not that would be a real blunder on Rubel's/Yagi's part.
    That was probably a mistake, he probably thought continent.
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    On a different topic (it's sad that my main question hasn't been discussed at all), why no one of the ABs has tried to help him and the rest of ABs was doing nothing to stop someone who could possibly annihilate them all once she would get rid of the strongest of them?
    @ Gooral who are you referring to, the turtle AB?

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