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    Re: Kokou no Hito by Nabeta Yoshio & Sakamoto Shinichi

    Quote Originally Posted by Roflkopt3r View Post
    I'm at chapter 80 now, this story is super awesome.
    Great storytelling. The time jumps really losen up the story, I think this is a much better format then just telling it by chronology - it's well done, so it's not confusing with just a little focus while reading. Talking about the story of the K2 preperation mountain traversal here.
    The whole story is packed with breathtaking double spreads and great shots, both in portraits as well as in environmental images.
    The protagonist is really interesting, and the story rather deep.

    I'm in love with this manga, absolutely worth reading.
    Wow. You are reading really fast. I'm so glad you like it. I can't wait until you catch up to the current chapters so we can discuss current events.

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    Re: Kokou no Hito by Nabeta Yoshio & Sakamoto Shinichi

    Just caught up with Ch. 108, so sad to have read through (the released parts) of such a great manga, now the waiting begins

    That was an interesting come back of those two. And Mori is so incredibly honorable, rather spending his own money than to call and tell that it got stolen
    I wonder how "Mori vs. Society" is going to continue and what will happen with that student girl with glasses. That will certainly become interesting

    Also, perhaps you know:
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    Kokou no Hito was a great read overall (overall sounds so diminishing, rather: In every aspect). Interesting protagonist (as well as side characters), great plot and storytelling (especially storytelling), big drama and amazing arts. Also, seemingly a huge effort on mountain climbing insider knowledge. I'm really looking forwards for further chapters.
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    Re: Kokou no Hito by Nabeta Yoshio & Sakamoto Shinichi

    Quote Originally Posted by Roflkopt3r View Post
    Just caught up with Ch. 108, so sad to have read through (the released parts) of such a great manga, now the waiting begins
    The wait shouldn't be too bad. OMFGG Scans has been releasing chapters at a pretty good pace since they picked up this series at chapter 23.

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    That was an interesting come back of those two. And Mori is so incredibly honorable, rather spending his own money than to call and tell that it got stolen
    I wonder how "Mori vs. Society" is going to continue and what will happen with that student girl with glasses. That will certainly become interesting
    I was a little bummed to hear Mori say he couldn't trust anyone anymore. I feel like he has grown so much and it is a real shame for him to revert back to his old self. I have a feeling that college girl will play a role in restoring his faith in humanity/society.

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    Also, perhaps you know:
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    Kokou no Hito was a great read overall (overall sounds so diminishing, rather: In every aspect). Interesting protagonist (as well as side characters), great plot and storytelling (especially storytelling), big drama and amazing arts. Also, seemingly a huge effort on mountain climbing insider knowledge. I'm really looking forwards for further chapters.
    I'm really glad you like it. I hope more people discover this wonderful manga and join us in our discussion.

    What did you think of Chapter 106 where Takemura is presumably drugged and the art gets all crazy? Also, what are your thoughts on some of the symbolism utilized in the art? Most of the time, I am not smart enough to figure out what it is suppose to mean/represent, but I am still glad it is there because it makes you think.

    Do you remember when Mori and his team where training for K2 in the Japanese Alps and there was a blurred "streak" across the panel on this page and this page? I couldn't for the life of me figure out what that was and what it was suppose to mean, but kewl0210 and others at another forum explained to me that it is a skull:
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    I'm told that it is meant to be a memento mori, which means "remember your mortality". It is a technique known as anamorphic perspective and was supposedly popular among Baroque painters. Check out this painting called The Ambassadors for reference:
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    I think it is so very interesting that the mangaka would include something like this.

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    Re: Kokou no Hito by Nabeta Yoshio & Sakamoto Shinichi

    Yeah the precise amount of money isn't that important after all, but it's good to have a scaling imo. It's a huge difference after all and Mori doesn't earn that much (or at least didn't do until so far).
    That thing about Mori saying that he couldn't trust anyone anymore indeed was shocking for his developement. Yet I can't believe that he really ment it 100% seriously. At least to his employer/professor he seemed to have a very good relationship, and we even saw him smiling a couple of times in the latest parts. I hope for your idea too that that student girl will give him some confidence again.
    I really wondered about that streak, too! Nice to know what it is after all, I thought "wtf, flying rock?". Kinda chose to ignore that without lookint at it further, what a mistake.

    Ch. 106 was weird indeed, but I liked it
    Very symbolic about the relation to women, imo the chapter was very well done though. It was easy to follow even though it was so abstract.

    I think the symbolism and images he sometimes throw in often serve the purpose of symbolizing the feeling of a mountain track in a way "townsfolk" can understand. When Mori was climbing that japanese mountain and steadily thinking of K2 for example ("Now I would have to dodge an avalanche!"), he was shown standing on a broad street surrounded by big cars and trucks for a few pages, with a truck heading right at Mori. Probably to give us an idea of the extreme force, fear and noise and stuff of an avalanche heading right your way when you're trying to climb.
    Obviously there is deeper symbolism than that, but I just remembered this one first. Such comparison of mountains to cities occurs a few times in the manga.
    I also liked the scene when Mori saw that woman who tried to make a move on him as a praying mantis. Probably shows both his disgust and fear (a huge ugly bug and his fear of females - after all the female mantis is known to eat her sex partners)
    Yet, after all it can be a little difficult to keep track of different timelines and symbolic scenes thrown in. Sometimes we are at two or three timelines at once and then get a symbolic scenes like that on this street inserted

    Sometimes I think I read such manga too fast. I'm a focussed reader (no music or stuff) so I can usually keep track quite well, but sometimes I just think "damn are you stupid? How couldn't you notice that earlier?" to myself. The irony of that 32 yr old doctor for example, who dies on the northern alps when running into the avalanche. If I got it right, he had hallucinations of his dead friend's father chasing him, who on the other hand chased him to get more information about his son's death - leading to the only one knowing what happend living in paranoia and dying of it. (Or his mental condition was the cause of that accident to begin with, but I think there's no hint on that)
    Was he even a doctor or do I just hallucinate that? I think he was shown in a brief flashback as a doctor who seemed kind of sociophobic (rather playing on a handheld than bothering with patients). I hope I can find that chapter again, I don't remember it very well.

    All that stuff revolving around Mori's teammates was really nice imo. I wonder if we might see that old co-leader guy again, he might've survived, right? I really liked Ch. 81/82, "Niimi Taku's Lonelines" and "Nighthawk". Pretty poetic almost, and nicely done. Niimi was a cool character.
    (had great panels: -1 -2 -3 -4 -5)

    What I also noticed is that Kokou no Hito often shows sequences of pictures which follow the structure of the mind, how people think or how their eyes move and what they observe.
    An example for latter case: Ch. 100
    The confusing/chaotic stuff I mean with "like people think" seems to be mainly incorporated in the structure of storytelling. When there are several timelines at once plus those dream/imagination/symbolic scenes in between - that's pretty much showing Mori's mind from the inside I think. After all, thoughts are poorly structured and can be quite chaotic.


    On a small side note: Damn, I feel personally insulted After I read the last chapter, some stupid side tried to give me advice what manga could be similar... "Category: Drama. One Piece"
    What a comparison, Shonen li la lollypop world against this type of depressing and dark serious drama
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    Re: Kokou no Hito by Nabeta Yoshio & Sakamoto Shinichi

    Well, after marathoning translating this series once again, I got volume 13 done in under 24 hours. Now... I'm on to issue scans. Woo... If you wanna keep up with the story as I translate it, I always posted the high-res volume raws I scanned in the first chapter of each volume.

    Glad to see some people here are discussing it here, too. I took it upon myself to scan and translate this manga because I loved it when I read it.
    I usually remember everything I translate, but I don't recall where they were talking about money amounts. Mori lost the money that was given to him to cover expenses at the top of Mount Fuji at the weather station. The money is his bank account wasn't affected because he had his wallet on him, however that was only 800,000. He was so ashamed of what happened he didn't tell anyone and just went on like it hadn't happened. Using his own money and wages to make up for it, to the point where he got drastically underweight. I dunno how much has been covered in what's scanlated though. If there's somewhere that's not consistent I could double-check the raws. I know in one of those chapters I wrote "after college graduation" instead of "after high school graduation".

    Also, the effects of what happened with Takemura in 106 don't become clear until the last few chapters that came out in YJ.

    I did an explanation of Kunieda's story here I think people found clear:
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    His character was kind of like, a side character who didn't gain much attention until the end. He almost never spoke except when they were discussing who stole Kase's wallet, and he said "there was no reason to look through people's bags". And he seemed to be obsessed with sex.

    His backstory is this:
    His real name is Murata. He is also a doctor and went to a medical college with a person named Tooru who became his best friend and he used to play video games with. (We see this in the beginning of Volume 6 I think)
    Some years prior to the current story and the Northern Alps Traversal, he pushed his best friend Tooru and a girl named Eriko off a knife ridge (A really thin ridge that's like the width of a balance beam.) which killed them both. It seems that he thought his best friend and the girl Eriko were having a love affair behind his back and "making fun of him". He had fallen in love with Eriko and apparantly he became paranoid and obsessed with the fact that they had betrayed him or something of that air, and that the people he trusted the most, he couldn't trust anymore.

    After this event, Murata was plagued with guilt over what he'd done. But still, he ran away from his crime and since it took place on a mountain with no witnesses besides him, the police had no evidence to make an arrest. However, it would seem he really did do it, and Kiriya, the old man who was Tooru's father, went after him to try to get him to tell the truth and find out what really happened to his son.
    In order to escape the old man, Kiriya, Murata changed his identity multiple times and changed addresses. He supposedly had been ambushed by him at some point, with the guy waiting at his apartment. Kiriya never gave up and kept trying to find him, almost catching him several times, supposedly.

    This made Murata start to get psychotic. And even though he was considered one of the best climbers in the country somehow, he was plagued by guilt and the idea that he would get caught. He also tried to rationalize it to himself saying "well it was their fault for doing that to me, that jackass and that slut". He was running away from his crime and his past, basically. It got so bad that at some point he started hallucinating that Kiriya was following him on the mountain. Niimi figures this out with the few phrases Kunieda said about it right before he died, and how it said "Murata" on stuff in his bag (We see this in some chapter. It's written in romaji originally anyhow, so someone might spot it.) He asked Mori not to tell anyone because Kunieda/Murata really was a good guy, just couldn't confess to what he'd done and it seemed he'd done it on impulse in a fit of jealous rage. He even always kept a photo of him, Tooru, and Eriko in his bag and kept it dear to him, never letting anyone look in his bag on the chance they'd see it. Kiriya, seeing Murata died in the newspaper article, came to Mori to try to get information. Mori respected Niimi and Murata's wishes by saying he didn't know anything, though actually Niimi had told him and he did know. Kiriya leaves basically with just seeing the picture, implying that Murata missed his friends and was sorry, really. Kiriya didn't understand that, though.
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    Re: Kokou no Hito by Nabeta Yoshio & Sakamoto Shinichi

    Ah thanks for that summary about Kunieda, I didn't want to read it all over again only for that one character so soon after having it read the first time
    Helped me to sum up the fragments I still remembered, totally forgot about the girlfriend thing. Perhaps his paranoid character was the cause of everything what happened to Kunieda then, and not the result (though it certainly became much worse after the event).

    About the money on his bank account: Yeah obviously it wasn't stolen. I just mentioned it, because after the university money was lost he thought something like "I still got 800k on my bank account which I'll have to fully spend" (which is ~7100 €/almost 10.000$ - with such a job like he had that must've ment a long long time of saving).
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    Re: Kokou no Hito by Nabeta Yoshio & Sakamoto Shinichi

    Chapters 109,110,111, and 112 are out thanks to OMFGG Scans.

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    Re: Kokou no Hito by Nabeta Yoshio & Sakamoto Shinichi

    Wow it's crazy how much progress there is in these chapters, and great that four were released at once
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    Btw, there's nothing known about Buntarou's parents, is there? I just wondered. All there has been shown about them is that his mother once left him a note at home that she went out early, but other than that there hasn't been a single appearance or sign of them. So all we can know is that his mother is alive, but nothing beyond that. Kinda weird imo.
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    Re: Kokou no Hito by Nabeta Yoshio & Sakamoto Shinichi

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    I don't recall any information given about his family. Maybe that will be a future plot line. I wouldn't mind seeing a flashback of Mori's childhood to see why he turned out the way he did.

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    I don't recall any information given about his family. Maybe that will be a future plot line. I wouldn't mind seeing a flashback of Mori's childhood to see why he turned out the way he did.
    I don't think that his family was that much of a cause to Buntarou's character. Even this only one clue we have (the note) already tells us that his mother wasn't extremely careless at least (or that she at least did not intend to be this way, perhaps she had to do so much work or something like that.)
    It might've been a concurrent though, that perhaps his parents weren't able to detect what's going on with Buntarou. Maybe it was Mizuki and his suicide who had more influence on him, after all Buntarou probably was different before that. He really seemed to have a friend in Mizuki, and after the suicide it appeared like he didn't have any friends at all anymore.


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    Re: Kokou no Hito by Nabeta Yoshio & Sakamoto Shinichi

    Quote Originally Posted by Roflkopt3r View Post
    I don't think that his family was that much of a cause to Buntarou's character. Even this only one clue we have (the note) already tells us that his mother wasn't extremely careless at least (or that she at least did not intend to be this way, perhaps she had to do so much work or something like that.)
    It might've been a concurrent though, that perhaps his parents weren't able to detect what's going on with Buntarou. Maybe it was Mizuki and his suicide who had more influence on him, after all Buntarou probably was different before that. He really seemed to have a friend in Mizuki, and after the suicide it appeared like he didn't have any friends at all anymore.


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    Yeah, I think you are right. I pretty much forgot about Mizuki's suicide. I guess I need to reread the series. It has been a while.

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    Re: Kokou no Hito by Nabeta Yoshio & Sakamoto Shinichi

    After realising that I was totally unable to conclude Kunieda's fate on my own, even I think that I have to re-read it (just five days or so after picking up the series ^^)
    For a more complex work like this it can't be bad at least. There were too many details to grasp them all in the speed of a first read for me.

    Reading a story a second time always makes a lot of things appearing clearer.

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    Re: Kokou no Hito by Nabeta Yoshio & Sakamoto Shinichi

    Quote Originally Posted by Roflkopt3r View Post
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    I think the reason I don't remember much from the beginning is because things changed a lot after the initial time skip. Now that you reminded me of Mizuki, I hope even more that the plot touches on Mori's past.

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    Re: Kokou no Hito by Nabeta Yoshio & Sakamoto Shinichi

    Yeah, the very same panel with cross was already used once, I'm quite sure of it. But tbh I don't remember the context
    I'm not sure if this is about a burden... or perhaps it could be, it just didn't appear to me. I thought of the christian salvation aspect rather than of it beeing a burden, but obviously carrying a cross (to a place of crucification) isn't positive in itself.

    Perhaps it is his fear? Of facing her, when she awakes? After all he's always trying to avoid people. It possibly could be both then: Carrying his cross -her- to face his fears, but ultimately gaining salvation from that. That would be very similar to the bible story as well I think, so perhaps this could be a valid explanation.

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    Re: Kokou no Hito by Nabeta Yoshio & Sakamoto Shinichi

    Spoiler: Volume 12 Slight Hints show

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