Riful, Could Be Still Alive??

[Revyon]

Following the scene of Chapter 102 are portraits where the remains of the partial body Riful you think might still be alive? Is there any hope?

[Bowser]

I think...shes dead.

[evil_kenshin]

No, We were shown a body to give us readers proof she is dead. There is no ambiguity about it

[melvo 17]

Its clear riful is dead.fairwell to the abyssal ones

[HegemonKhan]

on another site, some one had an interesting idea:

Riful did do this weird downward Ribbon attack against (I think, but I personally don't remember. I'll probably go look it up after I post this) Priscilla which struck the ground, before Priscilla sent her tentacles all over the inside of Riful.

This person's idea is that unknown to everyone (including Dauf), Riful is secretly alive hiding in/under the ground or was.

I find this to be quite interesting and it could even be possible too, though probably isn't. but still... maybe it is so. maybe riful is still alive


the biggest obstacle I find to this idea:

Riful's love/worry/concern for Dauf. Riful wouldn't hide in the ground and let Dauf go kill himself against Priscilla. If anything, they would have "run" away after Priscilla left them to go to Clare.

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outside of this possibility,

Riful is dead.

Dauf would/should know if his beloved Riful is dead (totally out of yoki) or if she is still alive barely (with a tiny amount of yoki left).


what I wanna know... why is Riful's upper half all that remains of her body, lol!

did Priscilla's tentacle attack going every direction inside Riful, do this....

or...

did Priscilla EAT Riful's lower half...

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p.s.

I voted NO. As it stands right now, Riful is most certainly dead.

(it's high time, she finally dies, due to her so many numerous near-death events. it would be over-ridiculous if she were to still survive onward, lol)

(this has nothing to do with liking/disliking Riful's character. I actually like Riful's character and don't want her to die as a personal wish, but she's been escaping death already so much... this has already gotten ridiculous. Okay, Clare has escaped death much more... but meh... she's the protagonist, lol)

[Revyon]

I remember that Agatha blood red, to die was to be hit at a certain point, even riful, having the shape of a tape is not easy to remove. Remember when speaking with Audrey and Raychel? Maybe a 1% are in favor of Riful yet .... and it is even as banal if she survives at the end ... we saw Cynthia instill the same conditions but the Yuma has not saved?

[Unholy]

We saw rifuls body what else do u guys need to believe she is dead? About riful hinding herself on the ground, we dont know if she could do it even assuming she could she didnt had enought time to do it since priscilla killed her in like a second and even if she did do u honestly believe priscilla wouldnt notice?

[HegemonKhan]

Priscilla's yoki abilities are all chaotic/contradictory. I can't make sense of it at all.

in one situation, she is measuring/describing the power level of an opponent.

but then we got Irene and Dauf, whom she failed to know were still alive.

also, she completely had no idea about Teresa's power level.

she seems to have pretty good distance yoki detection (along with Isley) as they felt the 24 Claymores' yokis in Pieta "vanishing", but both of them weren't able to detect the 7 that survived through the yoki suppression pills they had taken prior to the Pieta battle.

there's more confusion/examples of priscilla's contradictory/chaotic yoki abilities, but these are just some that I can think of off the top of my head.

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there's 3-7 unique bodied beings:

knowns:

1. Agatha
2. Riful
3. Ophelia

maybes:

4. Priscilla
5. Hilda
6. Beth

very maybe:

7. Clare

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Ophelia, Riful, and Agatha all have an awakened body/form which acts like a exoskeleton or shell that envelops/surrounds their real (human) body (with its vital organs). They can move their real (human) body around within their awakened body/form's exoskeleton/shell. Also, Riful and Agatha can create a fake human body/form from/using their awakened body/form as a deception against opponents.

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i'm not going to get into the other possible candidates at the moment. too much work to discuss them too.

[The_kid]

its a very interesting theory...
but unless clare really awakenes and makes her theresa image her awakening form...
i wont say that theresa ever will be revived ever...xd

[sorostaran]

Well, there's dead, and then there's dead. I mean, death doesn't necessarily prevent somebody from coming back in one form or another. Luciela and Rafaela "came back" as the Destroyer, so with Dauf+Destroyer hybrid holding Riful's "dead body" for so long, a Riful+Dauf+Destroyer hybrid isn't out of the question.

Besides, yoki detection is a terribly imprecise science even for the best of them. Priscilla couldn't sense that Dauf wasn't dead. Even a yoki-sensing specialist like Teresa was way off in overestimating Priscilla's yoki potential by several orders of magnitude before Priscilla actually released yoki. If Riful was still alive, Priscilla could have easily overlooked it.

[HegemonKhan]

I agree.

Riful is definately dead, unless she is "brought back to life" from the Org using her body (upper or lower half... or did Priscilla obliterate her lower half...) to implant into some future host.

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actually many of the Eyes *ARE* accurate, the problem with this is that some beings can suppress/hide their yoki really well, even for these Eyes.

However, Blind Galatea was even able to sense Dietrich on the YSPs, and Teresa was even able to sense Rafaela despite her NYS. These are the two best Eyes of all time.

Eyes: good yoki sensing characters

the Abyssal Ones, Teresa (possibly sensed that Rosemary had Awakened and sensed Rafaela's yoki despite her NYS, but couldn't sense Priscilla's suppressed yoki), Clare (could sense yoki even while as a human child, before ever becoming a Claymore with Teresa's flesh, but couldn't sense Renee on the yoki suppression pills or YSPs), Irene, Rafaela (quickly tracked down Irene after she released her yoki to use the Quick Sword against Claymore Ophelia and to train Clare in its use, as well as Clare+Jean after or at the end of the witches maw section, Luciela, and was with Renee watching the Pieta battle), Galatea (Blind Galatea sensed Renee on the YSPs), Miria, Tabatha, and Renee.

Priscilla is the "oddball" or the confusing one. At times, she's a powerful (and accurate) Eye (for example, at least in the anime, not sure or can't remember about the manga though: she sensed/felt the 24 Claymores' yoki disappearing, along with Isley at whatever distance they were from Pieta. Also, she felt/sensed Clare's yoki release which prompted her to abandon Raki in Ticheri town and go feast on poor Beth and the humans), but at other times, she seems to "mess up", and not realize her opponents are still alive.

yoki suppression ability (YS ability or YSA):

Priscilla, Teresa, Irene (since Priscilla didn't realize Irene was still alive), and the Abyssal Ones

Natural yoki Suppression (NYS):

the 7 Ghosts (due to 7 years of not using/releasing their yoki), Rafaela (due to not using/releasing her yoki for her years in "exile/banishment"), and Irene (due to not using/releasing her yoki for her years in hiding).

Yoki Suppression Pills (YSPs)

whom have used them:

the 24 Claymores of/in the Pieta battle (each took a halved-YSP), Clare for her covert Rabona mission, Renee and the 3 unnamed Claymores for secretly looking for Renee/Riful (ultimately for getting the half-merged bodies of Rafaela+Luciela for Rubel, whom Riful had "stolen from Rubel") for Rubel, Dietrich, Miata+Clarice (on their execution hunt for Galatea).

[CBlitz]

nah, unfortunately Riful is most certainly dead. Her death flag popped up when Isley got killed off by those abyssal eaters or w/e. Its a shame since they were both pretty cool characters, now all that's left is Prissy, and she's got the collective personality of a brick

[sorostaran]

I agree.

Riful is definately dead, unless she is "brought back to life" from the Org using her body (upper or lower half... or did Priscilla obliterate her lower half...) to implant into some future host.

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actually many of the Eyes *ARE* accurate, the problem with this is that some beings can suppress/hide their yoki really well, even for these Eyes.

However, Blind Galatea was even able to sense Dietrich on the YSPs, and Teresa was even able to sense Rafaela despite her NYS. These are the two best Eyes of all time.

Eyes: good yoki sensing characters

the Abyssal Ones, Teresa (possibly sensed that Rosemary had Awakened and sensed Rafaela's yoki despite her NYS, but couldn't sense Priscilla's suppressed yoki), Clare (could sense yoki even while as a human child, before ever becoming a Claymore with Teresa's flesh, but couldn't sense Renee on the yoki suppression pills or YSPs), Irene, Rafaela (quickly tracked down Irene after she released her yoki to use the Quick Sword against Claymore Ophelia and to train Clare in its use, as well as Clare+Jean after or at the end of the witches maw section, Luciela, and was with Renee watching the Pieta battle), Galatea (Blind Galatea sensed Renee on the YSPs), Miria, Tabatha, and Renee.

Priscilla is the "oddball" or the confusing one. At times, she's a powerful (and accurate) Eye (for example, at least in the anime, not sure or can't remember about the manga though: she sensed/felt the 24 Claymores' yoki disappearing, along with Isley at whatever distance they were from Pieta. Also, she felt/sensed Clare's yoki release which prompted her to abandon Raki in Ticheri town and go feast on poor Beth and the humans), but at other times, she seems to "mess up", and not realize her opponents are still alive.

yoki suppression ability (YS ability or YSA):

Priscilla, Teresa, Irene (since Priscilla didn't realize Irene was still alive), and the Abyssal Ones

Natural yoki Suppression (NYS):

the 7 Ghosts (due to 7 years of not using/releasing their yoki), Rafaela (due to not using/releasing her yoki for her years in "exile/banishment"), and Irene (due to not using/releasing her yoki for her years in hiding).

Yoki Suppression Pills (YSPs)

whom have used them:

the 24 Claymores of/in the Pieta battle (each took a halved-YSP), Clare for her covert Rabona mission, Renee and the 3 unnamed Claymores for secretly looking for Renee/Riful (ultimately for getting the half-merged bodies of Rafaela+Luciela for Rubel, whom Riful had "stolen from Rubel") for Rubel, Dietrich, Miata+Clarice (on their execution hunt for Galatea).

If there are so many ways for yoki-sensing not to work, then it really isn't very accurate, is it?

If you think about it, what you are saying is that yoki-sensing is accurate, except sometimes when used against yoki-suppressing targets, one of which just happens to be Riful, and that yoki-sensing is reliable, except sometimes when used by the one oddball, which just happens to be Priscilla.

So...exactly how does one make the jump from your assertions to "if Riful was still alive, Priscilla would have sensed it"?

[HegemonKhan]

my understanding of Riful being dead, is based on everything else (which I don't want to list out in full, lol), as I and you said, Priscilla and her yoki sensing isn't a very reliable source for us to use, lol.

some quick reason I think Riful is dead:

1. Priscilla's unique attack sending her tentacles all over Riful's body. why would she do such an attack if it wasn't done to ensuredly kill Riful?

2. Riful has been through a "malay (can't spell it, grr) guantlet" of near deaths... it would be LAME to bring her back, especially now after all these chapters that have come since.

3. Dauf was already "brought back from the dead", so if Riful was to be "brought back from the dead", it would have happened along with Dauf.

4. the whole dramatized scene with Infected and enraged Dauf holding her upper body and Priscilla's comment.

I mean if Riful was alive... Dauf would have rammed the Destroyer's projectiles into her and not himself, as he loved her with all his heart (just as she loved him with all of her heart).... Romeo and Juliet.... Dauf as Romeo.... DISTURBING IMAGE, LOL. Though sadist emotionless Riful as Juliet is disturbing too, lol.

(what would be so awful.... is if Riful was actually still alive.... and Dauf actually kills her, crushing her in half in his hand... lol.. errr i shouldn't lol... as that would be really sad/tragic/awful/tears/cries!)

5. etc...

[WickedNeko]

Personally, I always thought that Riful was still alive, and I'm kinda surprised that most people think she's dead.

Sure, she's been torn and shredded, but she's an abyssal one... without it explicitly showing her death scene, I'm going to assume that she somehow managed to survive (enough body parts to regenerate herself over time, anyways).

Wasn't that the entire purpose behind infected Dauf throwing her body away from the scene of battle? He may have lost all sense of reason, but his sub conscience remembered the purpose of what he had to do (even if he lost the capability to understand why he had to do what he did)... to get Riful away from the carnage to allow her a chance to survive?

If Pris and Clare both walk away from the battle, I can see Riful joining up with Clare at later date to get revenge against Pris.