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    Everyone in Naruto is suicidal

    I love naruto. i am going as far as saying that i might be the number one hardcore fan. But I can't help but notice that everyone in the manga is pretty much suicidal. I mean, it just seems that everyone in the manga is so eager to kill themselves one way or another.

    Take the following examples

    Hiruzen Sarutobi(Third hokage): uses shiki fujin and sells his soul to defeat orochimaru

    danzou: (i admit that he was already dying) uses the reverse sealing technique to seal everyone in the nearby area into his body right as he dies

    4th hokage: I am guessing he also died b/c of shiki fujin like the third hokage

    Jiraiya: goes out into the open and leaves himself vulnerable to pain and gets his throat crushed

    second hokage: acts as a decoy and lets the younger generation escape

    nagato/pain: depletes his chakra supply to bring everyone back from the dead and dies of overexhaustion

    kakashi: dies temporarily for the same reason

    naruto: now he's saying he'll kill himself after fighting sasuke

    the list goes on...

    is it just me, or does it just seem like everyone is bringing about their own deaths rather than getting murdered like normal people?
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    Re: Everyone in Naruto is emo

    you forget deidara who try to kill sasuke-kun by blewing himself up??

    I guess thats just how a ninja thinks....

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    Re: Everyone in Naruto is emo

    For some twisted reason, ur observation made me laugh...may be some prob with my sense of humor. Uhh...seriously, why can't we see it like this..that all these guys were really brave and knew that things worth living for are also worth dying for? And for god's sake, naruto didn't say he will suicide, what he basically said is that he can't defeat sasuke without killing, and he can't kill sasuke without getting killed himself (adding up what he said on 2 occasions)

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    Re: Everyone in Naruto is emo

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSaiyan4 View Post
    I love naruto. i am going as far as saying that i might be the number one hardcore fan. But I can't help but notice that everyone in the manga is pretty much suicidal. I mean, it just seems that everyone in the manga is so eager to kill themselves one way or another.

    Take the following examples

    Hiruzen Sarutobi(Third hokage): uses shiki fujin and sells his soul to defeat orochimaru

    danzou: (i admit that he was already dying) uses the reverse sealing technique to seal everyone in the nearby area into his body right as he dies

    4th hokage: I am guessing he also died b/c of shiki fujin like the third hokage

    Jiraiya: goes out into the open and leaves himself vulnerable to pain and gets his throat crushed

    second hokage: acts as a decoy and lets the younger generation escape

    nagato/pain: depletes his chakra supply to bring everyone back from the dead and dies of overexhaustion

    kakashi: dies temporarily for the same reason

    naruto: now he's saying he'll kill himself after fighting sasuke

    the list goes on...

    is it just me, or does it just seem like everyone is bringing about their own deaths rather than getting murdered like normal people?
    So what ? It's typically japanese, there is not much to say. Remember what japanese pilots did during the WWII.

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    Re: Everyone in Naruto is emo

    Quote Originally Posted by ashher View Post
    For some twisted reason, ur observation made me laugh...may be some prob with my sense of humor. Uhh...seriously, why can't we see it like this..that all these guys were really brave and knew that things worth living for are also worth dying for? And for god's sake, naruto didn't say he will suicide, what he basically said is that he can't defeat sasuke without killing, and he can't kill sasuke without getting killed himself (adding up what he said on 2 occasions)
    thus, why can't he use old people as meat shields and prevent himself from getting killed in a fight with sasuke

    as for meatshield candidates, i think the konoha elders are the first to go. they have lived far beyond their expiration dates.

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    Re: Everyone in Naruto is suicidal

    I see....this is....kind of funny.

    There's a common theme among all of the death's you listed. They all did it for a reason beyond themselves.

    Sandaime: Wanted to make sure Orochimaru died and stayed that way.
    Jiraiya: the secret of Pain was THAT important
    Yondaime: ..........His son has Kyuubi. 'Nuff said.

    Also, I don't think dying of exhaustion of chakra is suicide. Especially if you're using that chakra to save someone else.

    Ok, so it technically IS suicide. But Kakashi wasn't TRYING to kill himself.
    Yes, that sounds weird, but there is a difference.

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    Re: Everyone in Naruto is suicidal

    It's not that their suicidal, they just have ideals for which they are willing to die. They don't want to purpose take their own lives, they are just willing to do it if necessary. There is a difference.

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    Re: Everyone in Naruto is suicidal

    They aren't suicidal they are altruistic. Sacrificing yourself for the survival of the younger more fit generation is not suicide.

    Gaara is the only one to have been shown to attempt suicide in the series when he tried to cut his wrist as a child.

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    Re: Everyone in Naruto is suicidal

    i hear a lot of things about how they wanted to set an example for the next generation...

    wouldn't it be healthier to teach children how they should live their lives rather than how they should die?

    wouldn't it be more prudent to live every minute taking moral actions rather than having one action right before dying entirely defining one's character?

    i think this is a bit of an unhealthy idealism.

    it would be wiser to look a little further into the future and try not to put oneself in a situation where one must sacrifice oneself and scar the young children's childhood memories by traumatizing them with the notion of death at a young age.

    i do admit that the motive to sacrifice oneself to save another is admirable and understandable. it just feels like people are way too eager to put their lives on the line/thinks that death is almost the most desired option to choose.

    and the funniest part of all this joke is that, most of the sacrificial attacks made by these people do not accomplish anything.

    sarutobi: oro gets his arms back

    danzou: no one gets sucked in the seal

    deidara: he kills no one

    2nd hokage: his sacrifice does save sarutobi. but it also ends up saving two bitchy elders and danzo that screws up everything

    jiraiya: in his case, if his memory was good enough to recall the faces of the ninjas he encountered decades ago, couldn't he have used that memory power to recall his battle against the 6 pains rather than going on a suicidal run to his end?

    nagato: couldn't he have taken some chakra/soldier pills or something, replenish his chakra, then save everyone rather than just rushing things and killing himself?

    people should really think things over before hastily choosing death.

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    Re: Everyone in Naruto is suicidal

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSaiyan4 View Post
    i hear a lot of things about how they wanted to set an example for the next generation...

    wouldn't it be healthier to teach children how they should live their lives rather than how they should die?

    wouldn't it be more prudent to live every minute taking moral actions rather than having one action right before dying entirely defining one's character?

    i think this is a bit of an unhealthy idealism.

    it would be wiser to look a little further into the future and try not to put oneself in a situation where one must sacrifice oneself and scar the young children's childhood memories by traumatizing them with the notion of death at a young age.

    i do admit that the motive to sacrifice oneself to save another is admirable and understandable. it just feels like people are way too eager to put their lives on the line/thinks that death is almost the most desired option to choose.

    and the funniest part of all this joke is that, most of the sacrificial attacks made by these people do not accomplish anything.

    sarutobi: oro gets his arms back

    danzou: no one gets sucked in the seal

    deidara: he kills no one

    2nd hokage: his sacrifice does save sarutobi. but it also ends up saving two bitchy elders and danzo that screws up everything

    jiraiya: in his case, if his memory was good enough to recall the faces of the ninjas he encountered decades ago, couldn't he have used that memory power to recall his battle against the 6 pains rather than going on a suicidal run to his end?

    nagato: couldn't he have taken some chakra/soldier pills or something, replenish his chakra, then save everyone rather than just rushing things and killing himself?

    people should really think things over before hastily choosing death.
    Hiruzen sealed the two other kages that Oro brought back and prevented Oro from continuing his rampage.

    Dazou was going to die, moot point.

    Deidara kills manda, expected to kill Sasuke.

    Tobirama Senju Not his fault Danzou turned out the way he did but Hiruzen turns out to be a smart save for the village so I would argue it balances it out.

    Jiraiaya went back to figure out some of the finer workings of Pein that turned out to lead to peins defeat.

    Nagato died an honorable death after all the wrong that he did.

    Keep in mind, this is a ninja story and like with most soldiers one of the most honorable things you can do as a part of an army is sacrifice yourself for the greater good of the rest of the people you need to protect.

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    Re: Everyone in Naruto is emo

    Quote Originally Posted by Gatsuga View Post
    So what ? It's typically japanese, there is not much to say. Remember what japanese pilots did during the WWII.
    Actually, kamikaze is NOT considered suicide at all. Same with harakiri. In both cases death was considered the only option available and therefore by self killing they were dying with honor as opposed to dying a dog's death. If you want to get technical in the issue of kamikaze though, you could even stretch so far as to say that many kamekazi pilots were "murdered" by superior officers because they were often volunteered for the assignment against their will and to refuse it would only equal death anyway.

    On the topic of Naruto and suicidal people, well, suicide as an "honorable" act is/was a pervasive thought in Japanese culture from what I have researched, and therefore it is probably so in the mind of the author as well.

    Even still, almost every character in the series has either committed suicide or been killed by someone committing suicide. It's old, tired, and used up.

    Heck, how many people have actually been murdered outright? Yuura was murdered by Naruto and those few from Rain that Gaara killed during the chuunin exam, Well, pretty much everone that Gaara killed (which is why Gaara owns) um...some of the people that Orochimaru killed I guess. All the people Itachi murdered...Kakashi killed Kakuzu, though it wasn't really shown...

    But really, almost all of those are fodder. I was so effing happy when Pain started mass murdering all of the Konoha ninja and then WHOOPS!! They all get to come back because Nagato killed himself. Boo.

    The whole issue of death in the story is so watered down it just doesn't have any impact anymore.

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    Re: Everyone in Naruto is suicidal

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Abortion View Post
    Nagato died an honorable death after all the wrong that he did.
    The only wrong he did was ruin an entirely good storyline. I mean, he didn't really have to revive everybody. He could have just formed an alliance with Konoha and then help them kill Tobi. I mean, the entire story has been about the next generation surpassing the last, but then Kishi goes and revives all of the adults who had just died, instead of giving the main characters new motivation to continue onwards...

    Plus, his whole Heel Face Turn seemed completely ridiculous considering everything he's done for the fast 30 years.

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    Oh, and TC, you forgot to mention Itachi and Sasori. Who, by the way, also both died in vain because Sasuke just pissed over Itachi's dying will, and Sasori... well, he just died on purpose because he missed his parents, or whatever. Not really sure...


    Quote Originally Posted by Kusachu View Post
    The whole issue of death in the story is so watered down it just doesn't have any impact anymore.
    Yup. Basically, it's either, "I can't kill you, so I'm just going to kill myself so hopefully I can you as well, even though there's honestly only a 0.01% chance of it actually happening," or "I hate you, so I'm going to kill you for it!" Silly Kishimoto, death is serious biz.
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    Re: Everyone in Naruto is suicidal

    Quote Originally Posted by slmcknett View Post
    The only wrong he did was ruin an entirely good storyline. I mean, he didn't really have to revive everybody. He could have just formed an alliance with Konoha and then help them kill Tobi. I mean, the entire story has been about the next generation surpassing the last, but then Kishi goes and revives all of the adults who had just died, instead of giving the main characters new motivation to continue onwards...

    Plus, his whole Heel Face Turn seemed completely ridiculous considering everything he's done for the fast 30 years.

    -----------

    Oh, and TC, you forgot to mention Itachi and Sasori. Who, by the way, also both died in vain because Sasuke just pissed over Itachi's dying will, and Sasori... well, he just died on purpose because he missed his parents, or whatever. Not really sure...
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    Yup. Basically, it's either, "I can't kill you, so I'm just going to kill myself so hopefully I can you as well, even though there's honestly only a 0.01% chance of it actually happening," or "I hate you, so I'm going to kill you for it!" Silly Kishimoto, death is serious biz.

    It's most likely that a lot of children were killed in that blast that leveled the entire town. Nagato was one of those chaotic neutral characters, so I don't see it as that much of a big turn around as say, Oro or Madara suddenly changing would be.

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    Re: Everyone in Naruto is suicidal

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSaiyan4 View Post
    i hear a lot of things about how they wanted to set an example for the next generation...

    wouldn't it be healthier to teach children how they should live their lives rather than how they should die?

    wouldn't it be more prudent to live every minute taking moral actions rather than having one action right before dying entirely defining one's character?

    i think this is a bit of an unhealthy idealism.

    it would be wiser to look a little further into the future and try not to put oneself in a situation where one must sacrifice oneself and scar the young children's childhood memories by traumatizing them with the notion of death at a young age.

    i do admit that the motive to sacrifice oneself to save another is admirable and understandable. it just feels like people are way too eager to put their lives on the line/thinks that death is almost the most desired option to choose.

    and the funniest part of all this joke is that, most of the sacrificial attacks made by these people do not accomplish anything.

    sarutobi: oro gets his arms back

    danzou: no one gets sucked in the seal

    deidara: he kills no one

    2nd hokage: his sacrifice does save sarutobi. but it also ends up saving two bitchy elders and danzo that screws up everything

    jiraiya: in his case, if his memory was good enough to recall the faces of the ninjas he encountered decades ago, couldn't he have used that memory power to recall his battle against the 6 pains rather than going on a suicidal run to his end?

    nagato: couldn't he have taken some chakra/soldier pills or something, replenish his chakra, then save everyone rather than just rushing things and killing himself?

    people should really think things over before hastily choosing death.

    In every one of those situations, the people you mentioned were already at the end of their rope. None of them hastily chose death.


    The only real suicidal character in the series is Hidan. He has NO problem stabbing himself in the chest. Granted, he doesn't actually die, but still.

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    Re: Everyone in Naruto is suicidal

    you dude need to watch this serie to understand
    The Legend of Koizumi.

    youcan watch it here if you want

    http://www.gogoanime.com/category/the-legend-of-koizumi

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