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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
I love naruto. i am going as far as saying that i might be the number one hardcore fan. But I can't help but notice that everyone in the manga is pretty much suicidal. I mean, it just seems that everyone in the manga is so eager to kill themselves one way or another.
Take the following examples
Hiruzen Sarutobi(Third hokage): uses shiki fujin and sells his soul to defeat orochimaru
danzou: (i admit that he was already dying) uses the reverse sealing technique to seal everyone in the nearby area into his body right as he dies
4th hokage: I am guessing he also died b/c of shiki fujin like the third hokage
Jiraiya: goes out into the open and leaves himself vulnerable to pain and gets his throat crushed
second hokage: acts as a decoy and lets the younger generation escape
nagato/pain: depletes his chakra supply to bring everyone back from the dead and dies of overexhaustion
kakashi: dies temporarily for the same reason
naruto: now he's saying he'll kill himself after fighting sasuke
the list goes on...
is it just me, or does it just seem like everyone is bringing about their own deaths rather than getting murdered like normal people?
Last edited by SuperSaiyan4; April 13, 2010 at 11:56 AM.
you forget deidara who try to kill sasuke-kun by blewing himself up??
I guess thats just how a ninja thinks....
For some twisted reason, ur observation made me laugh...may be some prob with my sense of humor. Uhh...seriously, why can't we see it like this..that all these guys were really brave and knew that things worth living for are also worth dying for? And for god's sake, naruto didn't say he will suicide, what he basically said is that he can't defeat sasuke without killing, and he can't kill sasuke without getting killed himself (adding up what he said on 2 occasions)
I see....this is....kind of funny.
There's a common theme among all of the death's you listed. They all did it for a reason beyond themselves.
Sandaime: Wanted to make sure Orochimaru died and stayed that way.
Jiraiya: the secret of Pain was THAT important
Yondaime: ..........His son has Kyuubi. 'Nuff said.
Also, I don't think dying of exhaustion of chakra is suicide. Especially if you're using that chakra to save someone else.
Ok, so it technically IS suicide. But Kakashi wasn't TRYING to kill himself.
Yes, that sounds weird, but there is a difference.
It's not that their suicidal, they just have ideals for which they are willing to die. They don't want to purpose take their own lives, they are just willing to do it if necessary. There is a difference.
They aren't suicidal they are altruistic. Sacrificing yourself for the survival of the younger more fit generation is not suicide.
Gaara is the only one to have been shown to attempt suicide in the series when he tried to cut his wrist as a child.
i hear a lot of things about how they wanted to set an example for the next generation...
wouldn't it be healthier to teach children how they should live their lives rather than how they should die?
wouldn't it be more prudent to live every minute taking moral actions rather than having one action right before dying entirely defining one's character?
i think this is a bit of an unhealthy idealism.
it would be wiser to look a little further into the future and try not to put oneself in a situation where one must sacrifice oneself and scar the young children's childhood memories by traumatizing them with the notion of death at a young age.
i do admit that the motive to sacrifice oneself to save another is admirable and understandable. it just feels like people are way too eager to put their lives on the line/thinks that death is almost the most desired option to choose.
and the funniest part of all this joke is that, most of the sacrificial attacks made by these people do not accomplish anything.
sarutobi: oro gets his arms back
danzou: no one gets sucked in the seal
deidara: he kills no one
2nd hokage: his sacrifice does save sarutobi. but it also ends up saving two bitchy elders and danzo that screws up everything
jiraiya: in his case, if his memory was good enough to recall the faces of the ninjas he encountered decades ago, couldn't he have used that memory power to recall his battle against the 6 pains rather than going on a suicidal run to his end?
nagato: couldn't he have taken some chakra/soldier pills or something, replenish his chakra, then save everyone rather than just rushing things and killing himself?
people should really think things over before hastily choosing death.
Dazou was going to die, moot point.
Deidara kills manda, expected to kill Sasuke.
Tobirama Senju Not his fault Danzou turned out the way he did but Hiruzen turns out to be a smart save for the village so I would argue it balances it out.
Jiraiaya went back to figure out some of the finer workings of Pein that turned out to lead to peins defeat.
Nagato died an honorable death after all the wrong that he did.
Keep in mind, this is a ninja story and like with most soldiers one of the most honorable things you can do as a part of an army is sacrifice yourself for the greater good of the rest of the people you need to protect.
On the topic of Naruto and suicidal people, well, suicide as an "honorable" act is/was a pervasive thought in Japanese culture from what I have researched, and therefore it is probably so in the mind of the author as well.
Even still, almost every character in the series has either committed suicide or been killed by someone committing suicide. It's old, tired, and used up.
Heck, how many people have actually been murdered outright? Yuura was murdered by Naruto and those few from Rain that Gaara killed during the chuunin exam, Well, pretty much everone that Gaara killed (which is why Gaara owns) um...some of the people that Orochimaru killed I guess. All the people Itachi murdered...Kakashi killed Kakuzu, though it wasn't really shown...
But really, almost all of those are fodder. I was so effing happy when Pain started mass murdering all of the Konoha ninja and then WHOOPS!! They all get to come back because Nagato killed himself. Boo.
The whole issue of death in the story is so watered down it just doesn't have any impact anymore.
Plus, his whole Heel Face Turn seemed completely ridiculous considering everything he's done for the fast 30 years.
Oh, and TC, you forgot to mention Itachi and Sasori. Who, by the way, also both died in vain because Sasuke just pissed over Itachi's dying will, and Sasori... well, he just died on purpose because he missed his parents, or whatever. Not really sure...
Last edited by slmcknett; April 13, 2010 at 06:56 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
In every one of those situations, the people you mentioned were already at the end of their rope. None of them hastily chose death.
The only real suicidal character in the series is Hidan. He has NO problem stabbing himself in the chest. Granted, he doesn't actually die, but still.
you dude need to watch this serie to understand
The Legend of Koizumi.
youcan watch it here if you want