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    Aizen Sōsuke Discussion Thread

    Basically only making this thread so everyone who wants to say what they think on Aizen's strengths and weaknesses.... Hopefully now we can keep it to a minimum in the recent chapter discussion/prediction thread.

    Okay I'm going to start this by saying that i was never really a mega Aizen fan even at the start, he was too much of a know it all, you could tell he was hiding something pretty much from the start, the death sence okay was a work of utter genius which is something i will agree on he was intelligent not Urahara smart but still smart, his major flaw was recruiting Tosen i mean if there was ever a fodder character he was it for definite

    But anyways going back to Aizens 'Strengths' the only two things he had going for him was his hax shikai and kido, his kido was out classed by urahara by an absolute mile, when he "annihilated" Ichigo and Renji you got to remember what ichigo had done just before and also the fact ichigo and renji were basically only low/mid tier captain levels, but against any of the high tier captains he would of been useless especially if none of them was under his Ks.

    Then lets look at what he accomplished with the hougyoku........ nothing he didn't accomplish anything at all with it, Isshin and co basically threw him around like a rag doll and if it wasn't for Aizen becoming immortal he would have dead when they fought him.... Then when it come down to ichigo being a beast he cried about it... In my opinion he was nothing more then a 400chapter boring piece of turd
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    Re: Aizen Sōsuke Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by devstauk View Post
    Basically only making this thread so everyone who wants to say what they think on Aizen's strengths and weaknesses.... Hopefully now we can keep it to a minimum in the recent chapter discussion/prediction thread.

    Okay I'm going to start this by saying that i was never really a mega Aizen fan even at the start, he was too much of a know it all, you could tell he was hiding something pretty much from the start, the death sence okay was a work of utter genius which is something i will agree on he was intelligent not Urahara smart but still smart, his major flaw was recruiting Tosen i mean if there was ever a fodder character he was it for definite

    But anyways going back to Aizens 'Strengths' the only two things he had going for him was his hax shikai and kido, his kido was out classed by urahara by an absolute mile, when he "annihilated" Ichigo and Renji you got to remember what ichigo had done just before and also the fact ichigo and renji were basically only low/mid tier captain levels, but against any of the high tier captains he would of been useless especially if none of them was under his Ks.

    Then lets look at what he accomplished with the hougyoku........ nothing he didn't accomplish anything at all with it, Isshin and co basically threw him around like a rag doll and if it wasn't for Aizen becoming immortal he would have dead when they fought him.... Then when it come down to ichigo being a beast he cried about it... In my opinion he was nothing more then a 400chapter boring piece of turd

    Disregarding Aizen pwning Gotei 13... Way to go.
    He accomplished nothing with Hogyoku ? Ok. His Kido was outclassed ? Ok. You should reread the chapters again.

    Honestly, this is either a troll or... Nevermind.

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    I have already posted that...If Urahara's kido did not activate Aizen would surpass FGT power...He told it himself that his zanpakutou vanished just like ichigo's...Also someone said that Aizen pawned Kyoraku with KS...In episode 293 after slashing Toshiro and Soi Fon Hirako and Koraku hit Aizen from behind only to be repelled by his shield....Or the shield was just a KS?....the only time he used KS was when Soi Fon used the clones till he slashes Kira and the other Vice Captain...and he did it in order to enrage Hitsugaya...

    You all say captains did not use Bankai in order to reduce destructions e.t.c....Yamamoto said that with his technique everyone in this area will be annhilated and told Ichigo to flee coz Gotei 13 decided to fight till death and he does not belong to them....So why not use bankai?

    Do not fall on Kubo's plotholes...Kubo wanted to delay the bankais (he propably has not decided for the bankais yet....and he wanted Ichigo to be the hero...Like now everyone is waiting for Ichigo to save them...the 13 Captains are just for viewing?)...
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    I don't get why you all seem to think he pwned them there's one reason and one reason only that he was able to do what he did in SS arc and that was his hax Zan, there's no way in hell he would have won against Yamma, also the 3 top tier captains and Kenpachi even Gin would of had a chance of beating him before the hougyoku, okay his kido was good but its not on par with Urahara at all, you all over hype him.... plain and simple
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    Quote Originally Posted by devstauk View Post
    I don't get why you all seem to think he pwned them there's one reason and one reason only that he was able to do what he did in SS arc and that was his hax Zan, there's no way in hell he would have won against Yamma, also the 3 top tier captains and Kenpachi even Gin would of had a chance of beating him before the hougyoku, okay his kido was good but its not on par with Urahara at all, you all over hype him.... plain and simple
    Do you realize what you just wrote? So what if it wasn't on par with Urahara? Who else has kido on par with him except maybe tessai(no canon proof) and thats only because Urahara's level of intelligence(which aizen admitted to being inferior to) is the highest in the manga seen thus far. Just because Urahara>Aizen in terms of kido doesn't mean Aizen is bad at it, it just means he isn't the best.

    You can't be serious about Kenpachi ever having a chance against Aizen so i won't address that. He couldn't beat Yamma...which he admitted to. So idk why you brought that up? Again just because you are weaker then the STRONGEST SHINIGAMI in the last 1000 years does not mean you are weak. Just means you aren't the strongest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NinjaStar View Post
    Do you realize what you just wrote? So what if it wasn't on par with Urahara? Who else has kido on par with him except maybe tessai(no canon proof) and thats only because Urahara's level of intelligence(which aizen admitted to being inferior to) is the highest in the manga seen thus far. Just because Urahara>Aizen in terms of kido doesn't mean Aizen is bad at it, it just means he isn't the best.

    You can't be serious about Kenpachi ever having a chance against Aizen so i won't address that. He couldn't beat Yamma...which he admitted to. So idk why you brought that up? Again just because you are weaker then the STRONGEST SHINIGAMI in the last 1000 years does not mean you are weak. Just means you aren't the strongest.
    I do realize exactly what i wrote, Kenpachi would have Annihilated Aizen in a straight up sword fight so i will address that again it's already been stated that Aizen made sure Kenpachi was in HM, also the fact that i wrote his Kido was good but against Urahara he would have no chance and the reason i brought it up is due to that that Urahara must have be taught how to use these high level kido's by Tessai who is a former Kido corps captain so im saying these thing due to the fact the he is being hyped to be the best at everything but he wasn't..... I just was getting fed up with seeing his name come up say how great he was..... When at best he was a mid/high level captain no way top teir like the 3 i stated, and Zaraki is a beast when it comes to start up sword fights so me bringing him into it is highly plausible, you have to remember that when Kenpachi is in a jam his reistu is more the capable to get him out of even the highest of Kido's i mean look at what happened with tousens bankai
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    Quote Originally Posted by devstauk View Post
    I do realize exactly what i wrote, Kenpachi would have Annihilated Aizen in a straight up sword fight so i will address that again it's already been stated that Aizen made sure Kenpachi was in HM, also the fact that i wrote his Kido was good but against Urahara he would have no chance and the reason i brought it up is due to that that Urahara must have be taught how to use these high level kido's by Tessai who is a former Kido corps captain so im saying these thing due to the fact the he is being hyped to be the best at everything but he wasn't..... I just was getting fed up with seeing his name come up say how great he was..... When at best he was a mid/high level captain no way top teir like the 3 i stated, and Zaraki is a beast when it comes to start up sword fights so me bringing him into it is highly plausible, you have to remember that when Kenpachi is in a jam his reistu is more the capable to get him out of even the highest of Kido's i mean look at what happened with tousens bankai
    Its honestly beyond me why you would ever(AND I DO MEAN EVER) think that kenpachi would even stand a chance against Aizen. Shikai or no shikai.

    Well its a good thing that fights in bleach aren't just about people blasting each other with kido so Aizen>Urahara but i will address your misunderstanding of kido.

    Urahara isn't necessarily better than Tessai or Aizen. He is just a hands on expert of the hougyoku(which means he can come up with counters for it) and he is a genius. Literally the smartest person in the show. Tessai could have taught Urahara everything he knew but Urahara would have still looked like a bitch to Aizen if that was the case. http://www.mangahere.com/manga/bleac...c316.2/12.html
    The reason Urahara even had a chance to hit Aizen with his super kido cuffs was because Aizen didn't give a damn about what was going on. He thought he was invincible and nothing could hurt him, he was literally just letting things hit him. If it wasn't for the combined efforts of Urahara's creative kido genius and Ichigos mega plot haxxx to hurt Aizen then he would have gotten away with it.
    Also how are you even judging expertise in Kido? Like what makes somebody the best? Based on the numbers Aizen used a higher lvl kido than Urahara and Yammato used the seemingly most destructive one. The only reason Urahara had such a hax kido was because he was a genius, he knew about the Hougyoku, and because Aizen got cocky. So i would say they are around the same level but i will give Urahara the edge.

    Aizen has twice the spiritual pressure of average/mid captain; Manga fact. Aizen is faster, more versatile, more intelligent, more experienced(been around longer), and has comparable durability and spiritual pressure to Kenpachi; Manga fact. Kenpachi is in no way, shape, or form a threat to Aizen. You wanna know why people throw around his name like he is a god? Its because there are literally only 2 Canon people stronger than him at the moment. Yamma and Ichigo and the former is Pre-Hougyoku while the later doesn't apply anymore.

    Kenpachi struggled against the 5th esapada. Even if he had gone all out against him from the beginning he would have only won because he was fighting a weaker version of himself. The 5th esapada was a "hollow version" of Kenpachi. A straight up slash and cut tank. Nothing else. Kenpachi will always win against opponents like that. Aizen isn't that kind of opponent.

    Aizen brought down Grimmy to his knees with a mere flex of his spiritual pressure. Yamma was willing to kill himself and the entire gotei 13(that was there) in order to kill Aizen. He made Vizard Ichigo his bitch(whom undoubtedly has comparable if not higher spiritual pressure than kenpachi). He tanked a full on direct Getsuga tenshou to the chest and then went on to fight Isshin(another person stronger than kenpachi).

    Aizen might not have been able to beat all the captains and vizards like he did without his Shikai but he could have beaten anyone of them one-on-one save for yamma without it(as long as "big 3" didn't use their bankai).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyodai Senkan Mora View Post
    NO Just NO!!! I don't mean to encourage the off-topicness here but i need to respond to this.......please reread the manga during the FKT arc...Gin himself corrected the misconception you seem to share with the nine captains who were fodderized by the pre-transformation Aizen...He clearly state that KS was just icing on a cake...Aizen's power alone was enough to deliver the amount of rape that was witnessed there...it was indeed the reason why the espada who would rather die than obey were following him.....This power was hinted at from the beginning.here are a few instances:

    1)turn back the pendulum....vice captain Aizen blocks a no.88 hadou from the captain of the kidou corps(arguably the best kidou user in SS) using an unchanted binding spell..Even Tessai commented on this

    2)Sokyouku hill...Aizen incapacitates komamura with an unchanted no. 90 spell at a third of its power...blocks komamura and Renji's Shikai as well as Ichigo's bankai bare-handed...he himself states he has attained the max power available to a shinigami in swordsmanship,kidou and hand to hand and is seeking more using the hogyouku

    3)Creation of wonderweiss...Aizen reveals his pre-hogyouku reiatsu to be twice that of an average captain

    4)Hueco Mundo...brings Grimmjow to his knees using reiatsu alone......etc etc(I could go on)

    P.S the manga has hinted Isshins power to be ridiculous and definitely above that of a normal captain. until this is clarified ur comparison above cannot also hold water...the only conclusive thing we learn in cannon is that Yama, due to the destructiveness of his zanpaktou is the only one who could beat Aizen at that time,hence Aizen took measures.

    so please say what you want about how weak or strong the guy is in comparison to the vandein reich or anyone for that matter, but avoid inventing facts
    - Yet right after Gin said that, it was revealed that Aizen has been using KS against Shunsui and co from the beginning... thus discrediting anything gin said about Aizen's strength without KS.. If the fighters' strengths are close enough on equal to each other, it is easy to OHKO someone if they are distracted. That is what aizen did to the likes of shiunsui, shinji, soifon, and hitsu.

    - Again, those espadas were all under KS. There is no way for them to betray and kill someone as cautious as aizen with absolute hypnosis working against them.

    - Hadou blocks all kido spell below 89. So the feat itself is not that great. Byakuya too used danku without an incantation, albeit, a smaller one.

    - And how exactly did he catch koma off guard? With KS. What I am arguing is that had aizen fought a captain without the enemy under KS already, the battle would be very different. But those he battles already start the fight off handicapped with KS. Renji is fodder, any captain can do that. Ichigo was still weakened from his battle against byakuya. Remember, what he told unohana? Orihime heals injury while reiatsu is much harder for her to replenish. And reiatsu equals battle potential.

    - What exactly is captain level? We, the readers, assume "average captain level" is the average power level of the CURRENT captains we know of. "Average captain level" could also mean the power level of ALL captains in the history of Seretei and perhaps the current captains are gifted and at least on par with that average if not better. We can also say the "average captain reiatsu" could be including all those captain class and those who has bankai. By that means, even renji and ikkaku can be considered "captain level" due to bankai. Therefore, aizen having 2x the amount of reaitsu as a "captain class" could ultimately mean he has 2x the reiatsu of someone like renji and ikkaku. Do you see where I am going with this?

    - We know that if you fixate your reitsu on something, the pressue increases dramatically. Aizen is obviously stronger than grimjow. He focused his SP on grimjow, that is all there is to it. I can even go on to say he might have used KS. But i'll give aizen the credit for this. I do agree aizen is strong. However, if he goes into battle against someone like the senior captains with them being under KS already, I don't see him owning anyone. In fact, I think aizen is really close in strength to the senior. But due to KS, he has the ability to capitalize on their openings if they let their guard down

    - Aizen's fight with Isshin clearly showed that if he fight s a high class opponent without the opponent under KS already, he cannot cake-walk them as people seem to believe

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    Quote Originally Posted by NinjaStar View Post
    Its honestly beyond me why you would ever(AND I DO MEAN EVER) think that kenpachi would even stand a chance against Aizen. Shikai or no shikai.

    Well its a good thing that fights in bleach aren't just about people blasting each other with kido so Aizen>Urahara but i will address your misunderstanding of kido.

    Urahara isn't necessarily better than Tessai or Aizen. He is just a hands on expert of the hougyoku(which means he can come up with counters for it) and he is a genius. Literally the smartest person in the show. Tessai could have taught Urahara everything he knew but Urahara would have still looked like a bitch to Aizen if that was the case. http://www.mangahere.com/manga/bleac...c316.2/12.html
    The reason Urahara even had a chance to hit Aizen with his super kido cuffs was because Aizen didn't give a damn about what was going on. He thought he was invincible and nothing could hurt him, he was literally just letting things hit him. If it wasn't for the combined efforts of Urahara's creative kido genius and Ichigos mega plot haxxx to hurt Aizen then he would have gotten away with it.
    Also how are you even judging expertise in Kido? Like what makes somebody the best? Based on the numbers Aizen used a higher lvl kido than Urahara and Yammato used the seemingly most destructive one. The only reason Urahara had such a hax kido was because he was a genius, he knew about the Hougyoku, and because Aizen got cocky. So i would say they are around the same level but i will give Urahara the edge.

    Aizen has twice the spiritual pressure of average/mid captain; Manga fact. Aizen is faster, more versatile, more intelligent, more experienced(been around longer), and has comparable durability and spiritual pressure to Kenpachi; Manga fact. Kenpachi is in no way, shape, or form a threat to Aizen. You wanna know why people throw around his name like he is a god? Its because there are literally only 2 Canon people stronger than him at the moment. Yamma and Ichigo and the former is Pre-Hougyoku while the later doesn't apply anymore.

    Kenpachi struggled against the 5th esapada. Even if he had gone all out against him from the beginning he would have only won because he was fighting a weaker version of himself. The 5th esapada was a "hollow version" of Kenpachi. A straight up slash and cut tank. Nothing else. Kenpachi will always win against opponents like that. Aizen isn't that kind of opponent.

    Aizen brought down Grimmy to his knees with a mere flex of his spiritual pressure. Yamma was willing to kill himself and the entire gotei 13(that was there) in order to kill Aizen. He made Vizard Ichigo his bitch(whom undoubtedly has comparable if not higher spiritual pressure than kenpachi). He tanked a full on direct Getsuga tenshou to the chest and then went on to fight Isshin(another person stronger than kenpachi).

    Aizen might not have been able to beat all the captains and vizards like he did without his Shikai but he could have beaten anyone of them one-on-one save for yamma without it(as long as "big 3" didn't use their bankai).
    Urahara was able to more or less create an entirely new kido just for Aizen, this in my eyes makes Urahara in a totally different ball park to Aizen who didn't know that he was being manipulated from the first kido Urahara placed on him in his encounter at FKT, your showing me a page from the TBTP arc which was 200 years before that so yeah i will admit that Aizen had the upper hand, but only because he used a forbidden technique that niether urahara or tessai could foresee

    Also you seem to be forgetting that Kenpachi may not have been under the KS if it was the case then yes i will say Zaraki Kenpachi would have sliced Aizen apart, Aizen showed time and again that he was no match for full frontal assaults he had to use cheap tricks and his intelligence to gain an upper hand, and Kenpachi also showed time after time in battle he is a natural at finding and exploiting the weaknesses in everything the opponent does. You made good points but the fact is Aizen only bitch slapped SS because he used his intelligence and cheapness to catch everyone off guard if anything he is the dirtiest fighter in the manga not the strongest by any means
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    There's been a quote of Aizen's that's been haunting me since he said it.

    "Once We gather the Vasto Lordes and Perfect the Espada, nothing shall stand in out way"

    In retrospect I still question what the heck he was talking about. This was post-defeat of grimmjow's fraccion after all. Was he talking about wonderweiss or what? That's the only arrancar I saw made after that point on the story and he was even made to take out yamma. That's the only thing I can think of, but still what is he talking about? o_0

    I want a timeline of each generation of the espada and aizen's visits in hueco mundo both before and while he was a captain. Which espada were natural and which were hougyoku'd, etc. ~_~
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolation View Post
    There's been a quote of Aizen's that's been haunting me since he said it.

    "Once We gather the Vasto Lordes and Perfect the Espada, nothing shall stand in out way"

    In retrospect I still question what the heck he was talking about. This was post-defeat of grimmjow's fraccion after all. Was he talking about wonderweiss or what? That's the only arrancar I saw made after that point on the story and he was even made to take out yamma. That's the only thing I can think of, but still what is he talking about? o_0

    I want a timeline of each generation of the espada and aizen's visits in hueco mundo both before and while he was a captain. Which espada were natural and which were hougyoku'd, etc. ~_~
    I think all the senior Arrancars were originals and those we say a back story too, those that were fodder i think had help from the Hougyoku
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    Quote Originally Posted by devstauk View Post
    I think all the senior Arrancars were originals and those we say a back story too, those that were fodder i think had help from the Hougyoku
    And I still want to know what his aizen's quote is talking about. "Once we gather the VLs and perfect the espada?" What? He said that only a little over a month before the hueco mundo invasion because of the month-long Visored training arc. What VLs are he talking about and 'perfect the espada'? The only addition I saw that was good tactical-wise was wonderweiss. And that was the only addition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devstauk View Post
    Urahara was able to more or less create an entirely new kido just for Aizen, this in my eyes makes Urahara in a totally different ball park to Aizen who didn't know that he was being manipulated from the first kido Urahara placed on him in his encounter at FKT, your showing me a page from the TBTP arc which was 200 years before that so yeah i will admit that Aizen had the upper hand, but only because he used a forbidden technique that niether urahara or tessai could foresee

    Also you seem to be forgetting that Kenpachi may not have been under the KS if it was the case then yes i will say Zaraki Kenpachi would have sliced Aizen apart, Aizen showed time and again that he was no match for full frontal assaults he had to use cheap tricks and his intelligence to gain an upper hand, and Kenpachi also showed time after time in battle he is a natural at finding and exploiting the weaknesses in everything the opponent does. You made good points but the fact is Aizen only bitch slapped SS because he used his intelligence and cheapness to catch everyone off guard if anything he is the dirtiest fighter in the manga not the strongest by any means
    Yes Urahara was able to create an entirely new Kido but do you know why? Its because he had intimate knowledge of the Hougyoku(he created it!) and was the SMARTEST person in the manga. Oh and he had who knows how much time for prep?!! Anybody with those credentials would be able to come up with sum super powerful Kido. And like i said, it still wouldn't have meant squat if Aizen wasn't being so arrogant nor if Ichigo didn't become the most powerful person in the galaxy in the time span of an hour.

    http://www.mangahere.com/manga/bleach/v44/c381/8.html Do you know what that means? It means either kenpachi is under KS or he is such a NON threat that she didn't include him. Either way he loses to Aizen. Ichigo and only Ichigo was the only person capable of beating him(and the captain commander but we know how that went).

    Kenpachi was taking serious injury from the 5th espada. Aizen without a doubt can cut harder than the 5th. So all that is left to decide is can Aizen deal with Kenpachi's offensive? Yes he can. He can fly, he is more intelligent, he is faster, he has sheilds everywhere, he has long range moves, and he is just as good as if not better at sword play than kenpachi. Kenpachi does not have what it takes to fight somebody on that level. If Aizen wanted he could just fight from a distance and use some form of kido to obliterate Kenpachi. Not that it would be needed. Worst of all Kenpachi lets his opponents cut him, Aizen will kill him on the first strike if given the opportunity.

    I have no idea what you mean when you say " Aizen showed time and again that he was no match for full frontal assaults he had to use cheap tricks and his intelligence to gain an upper hand"? Aizen fought 10 opponents back to back, consecutively, or at the same time(whatever you wanna call it).
    Harribel, Ichigo, Rose, Love, Lisa, Komamura, Soi fon, Hitsugaya, Shinji, and Shunsui. He fought all of them. Are you telling me that he wasn't allowed to do that stuff he was doing against 10 captain level opponents? Two of them being roughly his level(without ks) and one of them not being under the spell of ks at all. No captain in all of the gotei 13 could do that save for maybe the CC and thats a maybe(depends on opponents).

    Lol idk if its because you were watching filler or something but Kenpachi only showed one time when he was able to find the weakness of an opponent and that was against Tousen. The fight against Tousen contained some of the most PIS in the entire manga. For what reason didn't he just cut off Kenpachi's head before he figured out the weakness? Regardless Aizen has no weakness other than the grab his sword before its released thing but Aizen isn't limited to fighting with his sword. Even though it wasn't shown he is prevalent in Hand to hand, he is obviously great at kido, and i doubt kenpachi could ever find a way to grab on to his sword anyways. That blow would kill him.

    One of the "cheapest and dirtiest" fighters in the manga said it best himself: "Getting caught up in style and throwing away victory is something for the lower ranks to do. Captains can't even think about doing such a carefree thing. Don't try to be a good guy. It doesn't matter who owes who. From the instant they enter into a war, both sides are evil.". It was a war, he was fighting several of the strongest characters in the manga at the same time and Aizen is EVIL!!! What do you expect? He can be as cheap as he wants, doesn't change the fact that he is the 3rd strongest person in the manga seen thus far without the Hougyoku and the second strongest with it.
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    Kenpachi was taking serious injury from the 5th espada. Aizen without a doubt can cut harder than the 5th. So all that is left to decide is can Aizen deal with Kenpachi's offensive? Yes he can. He can fly, he is more intelligent, he is faster, he has sheilds everywhere, he has long range moves, and he is just as good as if not better at sword play than kenpachi. Kenpachi does not have what it takes to fight somebody on that level. If Aizen wanted he could just fight from a distance and use some form of kido to obliterate Kenpachi. Not that it would be needed. Worst of all Kenpachi lets his opponents cut him, Aizen will kill him on the first strike if given the opportunity.

    I have no idea what you mean when you say " Aizen showed time and again that he was no match for full frontal assaults he had to use cheap tricks and his intelligence to gain an upper hand"? Aizen fought 10 opponents back to back, consecutively, or at the same time(whatever you wanna call it).
    Harribel, Ichigo, Rose, Love, Lisa, Komamura, Soi fon, Hitsugaya, Shinji, and Shunsui. He fought all of them. Are you telling me that he wasn't allowed to do that stuff he was doing against 10 captain level opponents? Two of them being roughly his level(without ks) and one of them not being under the spell of ks at all. No captain in all of the gotei 13 could do that save for maybe the CC and thats a maybe(depends on opponents).

    Lol idk if its because you were watching filler or something but Kenpachi only showed one time when he was able to find the weakness of an opponent and that was against Tousen. The fight against Tousen contained some of the most PIS in the entire manga. For what reason didn't he just cut off Kenpachi's head before he figured out the weakness? Regardless Aizen has no weakness other than the grab his sword before its released thing but Aizen isn't limited to fighting with his sword. Even though it wasn't shown he is prevalent in Hand to hand, he is obviously great at kido, and i doubt kenpachi could ever find a way to grab on to his sword anyways. That blow would kill him.

    One of the "cheapest and dirtiest" fighters in the manga said it best himself: "Getting caught up in style and throwing away victory is something for the lower ranks to do. Captains can't even think about doing such a carefree thing. Don't try to be a good guy. It doesn't matter who owes who. From the instant they enter into a war, both sides are evil.". It was a war, he was fighting several of the strongest characters in the manga at the same time and Aizen is EVIL!!! What do you expect? He can be as cheap as he wants, doesn't change the fact that he is the 3rd strongest person in the manga seen thus far without the Hougyoku and the second strongest with it.
    I think you need to go back and review that Kenny vs espada 5 kenny take no more injury that what he did against Tousen... And i think your big time mistaken for Aizen taking on 10 captain level opponents at once, in fact they were all attacking Momo, due to him being a complete bitch and using his KS again a major cheap trick... Your blowing smoke up the characters arse when in actual fact he was just a smart child wanting attention, and because he saw no one as his equal he grew overly confident and cocky... i Just hate seeing him get all this praise as a formidable opponent when he only started truely fighting everyone when the hygouku kicked in.
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