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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
They're high-tier. Don't mess with them or you'll be sorry.
They're mid-tier. They're outstanding but so are every other captain.
They're low-tier. New generation surpasses the old.
^^Saying that the only one that can beat shinji's shikai is aizen is crap considering we know that yama is stronger than aizen and from the looks of it isshin may be too.
Yea shinji's shikai is pretty scary, but captains who have been there for a millenium would be able to deal with it.
Just because Yama is "stronger" than Aizen doesn't mean he can do everything Aizen can do. Aizen is better than Yama in certain areas. As far as intelligence is concerned Aizen is far above Yama. His intelligence seems to be the main reason Aizen could deal with Shinji's shikai.
Last edited by En Yang Ji; April 19, 2010 at 04:24 PM.
Well, since Sakenade has only been used against one individual (AIzen), and since Aizen used KS to get out of it both times, we really can't determine whether other opponents could fight effectively against sakenade (other than just overcoming the ability with reiatsu).
Basically, it's not impossible that an opponent could become accustomed to the reverse world.
Also, to address this question:
He could potentially..... we don't know what levels of reiatsu shinji has in comparison to Shunsui. I'm not saying that Shunsui can, I'm just saying that Shinji hasn't really overwhelmed nor underwhelmed an opponent with his reiatsu.Quote:
How did aizen used his hypnosis to counter sakenade? I don't think the manga ever showed aizen using his illusion to counter it at any point. The impression I had was that aizen countered it simply because a simple optical illusion is not something which would stop aizen in any way.
I think they are in no way overrated. Of all the captains we have seen fight so far, the only ones i would put above them are Yama, Aizen, Isshin, Shinji and maybe Urahara and Gin not sure bout the last 2 though since Urahara never really fought seriously and Gin is still in a battle. Since i Urahara and Gin are still in question i would say that only those 4 (Yama, Aizen, Isshin, Shinji) are definitely stronger and maybe Urahara, Gin and Unohana..They are strong, very strong IMO..
shunsui has been impressive beat starrk with shikai but still had help with love and rose as a distraction. ukitake i want to be good but the way kubo likes making him pointless is irksome espically when characters like momo get more battle time.
i place shinji either above or below shunusi yes he is strong but he coundt kill one arm grimmjow with his mask what the hell that about yet he only one to cut aizen :S. people over rate characters yes but it is a forum it bount to happen just over zealous fanboys dont listen to other people.
to sort out shinji kubo needs to show us when shinji was at the acedemy coz shinji could have been at academy like a couple of months behind shunusi and uki
Last edited by Hystzen; April 20, 2010 at 05:40 AM.
Shunsui is not overrated. he is awesome, his sword is awesome and his tactics are SMART! this is the war, who gives the shit for honor and pride, just stab the guy in the back while he's not looking!!! this is how wars are fouht and won. those who don't cheat end up on the losing side. Shunsui defeated Stark with his brain, he used the distraction provided by Vizard duo to deliver a serious blow and weaken his opponent significantly, so he could finish him off more easily later on. thing is, we don't know if he is a powerhouse/juggernaut like Yama, Aizen. hell, Stark could be stronger for all we know! it's just that Shunsui exploited every possible opening to kill him. the guy's got brains, and that's what I like about him
I'd say Shunshun is the 5th deadliest char in bleach after Aizen, Yama, Kisuke, Shinji and Mayuri (don't know anything about Isshin and Unohana, since we haven't seen their powers) note: deadliest doesn't neccesserily mean strongest
Ukitake is overrated though, duh. the only thing that pussy did succesfully was play around with lillinette, and he couldn't even track WW's and Stark's movements LOL
btw: why did this discussion go from "Shunsui and Ukitake" to "Shinji vs Shunsui"?
Last edited by AlB; April 20, 2010 at 12:00 PM.
Aizen countered it because he had Shinji under illuision fighting thin air. He then had ages to set up a single slash.
A character like shunsui, Uki or Aizen will have no problem moving backwards if they have time to think. It is when you are faced with this:
If Shinji did what Gin is doing here, there is no chance in hell that you can block every attack perfectly. Even Yama couldn't do it (and I also doubt anyone in the bleachverse has enough reatsu to nullify the effects of a high tier captain's zanpakto).
I agree with AlB that Shunsui is smart, but he is also ruthless. He didn't hesitate to back stab starrk the second he could manage it. Ukitake didn't want to fight starrk because he thought it would be 2v1, shunsui however, would have jumped at the opportunity. There are few characters with battle smarts like that.
out of all of the people in FKT shunsui has been the only one fighting smart by doing sneak attacks it best way to avoid been killed or tiring yourself out (soi fon). just wouldnt mind if uki had more panel time before i judge him fully.
btw, can anyone explain what makes a captain so-called "high-tier"? age, strength or what?
Last edited by AlB; April 20, 2010 at 08:54 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
(Spoiler's wildly offtopic. Sakanade's powers are blatant hax (much like Shunsui's), but can't you just beat it by plugging your nose?)
Anyways, fact of the matter is, I doubt we'll ever see Shunsui go lawligagging into a 1v1 duel. If you wanna go all fantasy and say Shunsui vs. Shinji, you can bet your ass Shunsui'd stab Shinji from the shadows while he was on the crapper. That's just the way he fights when it's a serious battle. (Chances are, it'll never be, between those two. Shunsui has one of the closest ties to the Vaizards... Lisa)