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    Could use an assist on Gintama 305

    Specifically here: http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/81041/17

    The lines 俺がてめーの策を看破しながら何の策もろうじていねーとでも / ろうじていまい in panel 3.

    Anyone have any idea what ろうじて means? From the form it seems clear it's a verb conjugation, but none of the usual suspects (jisho.org, goo.ne.jp, yahoo, chiebukuro, google) can tell me what it is.

    Time to unretire?

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    Re: Could use an assist on Gintama 305

    there are two fixed expressions that are similer in both pronunciation and meaning.
    saku wo kouzuru.
    saku wo rousuru.
    i think sorach could make a mistake mixing two words.even though my native langage is japanese,i haven't noticed it until reading your post.
    Last edited by eternanon; April 18, 2010 at 07:19 AM. Reason: to make my post more clear in meaning

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    Re: Could use an assist on Gintama 305

    I can't read even one letter in Japanese, let alone a word but I know about the best Japanese-English online dictionary there is: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/c...wwwjdic.cgi?1C (it has even word pronounciation option and searching romanized text which I sometimes use).

    According to it, it means (or should have meant):

    老実 【ろうじつ】 (adj-na,n) loyalty; fidelity [G][GI][S][A]
    老若 【ろうにゃく(P); ろうじゃく(P)】 (n,adj-na) young and old; all ages; (P) [G][GI][S][A]
    老弱 【ろうじゃく】 (n,adj-na) (1) infirmities of old age; (2) (See 老若) (obs) young and old; all ages
    老若男女 【ろうにゃくなんにょ; ろうじゃくだんじょ】 (n) men and women of all ages
    老儒 【ろうじゅ】 (n) elderly Confucian scholar
    老樹 【ろうじゅ】 (n) old tree
    老中 【ろうじゅう】 (n) member of shogun's council of elders
    老熟 【ろうじゅく】 (n,vs) maturity
    老女 【ろうじょ】 (n) elderly woman; senior lady-in-waiting;

    老女は御客をじろじろ見た。 The old woman studied the visitor carefully.[Amend]

    老嬢 【ろうじょう】 (n) elderly spinster

    Anyway, thank you very much Nagumo for translating Gintama.
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    Re: Could use an assist on Gintama 305

    Thanks, all.

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    Re: Could use an assist on Gintama 305

    策を弄(ろう)じる =策を弄(ろう)する (play tricks, use artifice)
    eternanon is correct in terms of modern Japanese, but ろうずる was used in old days. ろうじ was used in Genji Monogatari, so it looks like they just wanted to use an older language style. ("あな、いとほし。弄 じたるやうにもはべるかな" from Genji)
    Last edited by mikkih; April 19, 2010 at 08:36 AM.

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    Re: Could use an assist on Gintama 305

    Quote Originally Posted by Nagumo View Post
    Specifically here: http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/81041/17

    The lines 俺がてめーの策を看破しながら何の策もろうじていねーとでも / ろうじていまい in panel 3.

    Anyone have any idea what ろうじて means? From the form it seems clear it's a verb conjugation, but none of the usual suspects (jisho.org, goo.ne.jp, yahoo, chiebukuro, google) can tell me what it is.
    ya you seem to be good at 2 languages
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