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View Poll Results: Is the current execution of Edo Tensei doing Justice to the previous buildup for the Jutsu?

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    Re: The Infinite Chakra on Edo Tensei mod

    Indeed, if ET zombies have infinite chakra quantity and also rate, then you don't need to ET Madara. Just ET Gamakichi and you will still rape the enemy.

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    Re: The Infinite Chakra on Edo Tensei mod

    Quote Originally Posted by synapse View Post
    Indeed, if ET zombies have infinite chakra quantity and also rate, then you don't need to ET Madara. Just ET Gamakichi and you will still rape the enemy.
    lolikr, as the saying goes, "it's not what you have, but how you use it." The manga has made it pretty clear ET summons are most problematic because of their unnatural recovery rates. This applies towards chakra molding (multi-stage, multi-part, multi-personnel etc. if possible) as much as a taijutsu (ET limb regeneration).

    But at the same time all of OP's points still stand. The intended specimen still provides the framework for reanimation, and Kabuto tampering with Madara further suggests that this base potential (like how many chakra [units] it has) is still as important as ever. Just how far we can play around with the rules is up for anyone to guess.

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    Re: The Infinite Chakra on Edo Tensei mod

    Well this was obvious? That is why Madara had crep Susano's when he used 25 clones. His chakra was split in to many places...

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    Re: The Infinite Chakra on Edo Tensei mod

    Quote Originally Posted by ugur_tatli View Post
    But if Konohamaru trys to use the susanoo in edo tensei mod, he fails. His body isn't strong enough to do a techique like this but Madara is strong enough.

    If you remember Muu after dividing himself, he couldn't use the Jinton jutsu. He had the infinity chakra but his body wasn't strong enough to use that techique.

    In that case if Madara have tried to make a tailed beast ball, he would fail, too. The infinite chakra doesn't mean that everyone who is in the edo tensei mod could use all the jutsu.

    If Madara had something like this he wouldn't have needed the 10 tails. He could use the infinity tsukuyomi by himself on everyone. Madara is already able to use the infinity tsukuyomi. He used it on Obito for show but he can't use it on everyone. He is not that strong enogh.
    I really don't think this is true.

    For starters, the "body not being strong enough to use the technique" is false. Nagato, who had arguably the weakest body outside of Madara, had LOADS of chakra. And that had nothing to do with his Rinnegan, but was due to him have Uzumaki blood. Fact of the matter is, some people have loads of chakra, others don't. Skill is often what separates people from using techniques, not the physical capacity to do so.

    Konohamaru can't use Sussano because he isn't an Uchiha and because he isn't skilled enough to do so. Konohamaru is actually a terrible example given the fact he can use high level chakra jutsu in the form of Shadow clones and rasengans and still has energy left over.

    Now, saying the body has limits is a possibility, but Edo Tensei seems to destroy these limits in the sense that these bodies don't tire. If you don't tire, you can't run out of physical energy as an Edo. Undying spirit w/ unlimited physical energy gives you the capability to use any technique if you have the required skill and special abilities (kekkai genkai).

    As for the bolded part, Muu couldn't use Jinton because his spirit split and thus something happened to his affinities, as they were split up between the two bodies. What happened is the exact opposite of you what you are stating if I am correct.
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    Re: The Infinite Chakra on Edo Tensei mod

    Bit off topic, but don't want to start another thread on this question: Can Madara be sealed? If he resisted EDO release, can he be sealed with sealing jutsu for example from Sai, or can he resist that too?

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    Re: The Infinite Chakra on Edo Tensei mod

    Quote Originally Posted by pera2 View Post
    Bit off topic, but don't want to start another thread on this question: Can Madara be sealed? If he resisted EDO release, can he be sealed with sealing jutsu for example from Sai, or can he resist that too?
    It wasn't so much as he resisted Edo Tensei more so than he was able to break it once he regained full control of his body in the small moment when he was taken from Kabuto's control. Yes, Madara should be able to be sealed technically speaking.
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    Re: The Infinite Chakra on Edo Tensei mod

    another weakness of edo tensei is that a person won't be able to do any new techniques or techniques that causes their natural abilities to grow. i'm thinking that's partly why madara didn't want to be a zombie; zero capacity for growth.

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    Confused Re: The Infinite Chakra on Edo Tensei mod

    Where & how did kabuto get marada DNA?

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    Re: The Infinite Chakra on Edo Tensei mod

    Quote Originally Posted by Expletivebmp View Post
    another weakness of edo tensei is that a person won't be able to do any new techniques or techniques that causes their natural abilities to grow. i'm thinking that's partly why madara didn't want to be a zombie; zero capacity for growth.
    but the amount that Madara could grow, in the state he is in now, pales in comparison to the strength he gains by being invincible (in my opinion).

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    Re: The Infinite Chakra on Edo Tensei mod

    from what I understand about Edo Tensei Chakra. It wasn't infinite but rather fast chakra restoration. It was like saying having an Edo Tensei Body makes you immortal but in reality it restores your body from being destroyed making the "immortal" word true. Feels like their getting chakra from another dimension or world since they came from there


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    Re: The Infinite Chakra on Edo Tensei mod

    Well , look like everyone have infinite chakra in mighty alliance army , so Madara isn't problem ....

    after all , it said Madara had extremely strong chakra in Uchiha and now he had Hashirama's cells and Rinnegan ...

    that corpse ( Nagato ) has enough chakra to teach a lesson to konoha !!!

    ......

    Kishi already break his own rules so don't except any logical expiation about this ....
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    Re: The Infinite Chakra on Edo Tensei mod

    The "infinite chakra" seems to come from the extreme regenerative ability the zombies possess. ET Zombies don't suffer fatigue and run out of chakra because of the jutsu's regenerative capability.

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    Re: The Infinite Chakra on Edo Tensei mod

    Quote Originally Posted by Franckie View Post
    The "infinite chakra" seems to come from the extreme regenerative ability the zombies possess. ET Zombies don't suffer fatigue and run out of chakra because of the jutsu's regenerative capability.
    And it seems that they die....but then they come back fully regenerated .... remember when Tsunade punched through Madaras Susanoo and punched him in half his eyes went black . makes me think its not "immortality" in the sense of being unable to die...but its more like they can come back from being killed
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    Re: The Infinite Chakra on Edo Tensei mod

    Quote Originally Posted by Delbi View Post
    I really don't think this is true.

    For starters, the "body not being strong enough to use the technique" is false. Nagato, who had arguably the weakest body outside of Madara, had LOADS of chakra. And that had nothing to do with his Rinnegan, but was due to him have Uzumaki blood. Fact of the matter is, some people have loads of chakra, others don't. Skill is often what separates people from using techniques, not the physical capacity to do so.

    Konohamaru can't use Sussano because he isn't an Uchiha and because he isn't skilled enough to do so. Konohamaru is actually a terrible example given the fact he can use high level chakra jutsu in the form of Shadow clones and rasengans and still has energy left over.

    Now, saying the body has limits is a possibility, but Edo Tensei seems to destroy these limits in the sense that these bodies don't tire. If you don't tire, you can't run out of physical energy as an Edo. Undying spirit w/ unlimited physical energy gives you the capability to use any technique if you have the required skill and special abilities (kekkai genkai).

    As for the bolded part, Muu couldn't use Jinton because his spirit split and thus something happened to his affinities, as they were split up between the two bodies. What happened is the exact opposite of you what you are stating if I am correct.
    I agree with what you said here. Muu probably wasn't able to use Jinton because it was out of reach for his limits as a human back in time. That means Muu was probably not be able to use Jinton as a divided person when he was alive, too.
    Therefore, in theory, you cannot go over your potentials with Edo Tensei. Say, if Kakashi died and then, he was to be revived with Edo Tensei, he would be able to spam Kamui, since it was something he was capable of, albeit with a usage limit. Edo Tensei impinges on that limit.
    So, technically speaking, if Nagato wasn't stopped, he would be able to use Rinnegan's abilities to such an extent that he could have destroyed a fair share of the allied forces alone. This may sound absurd, but if you consider the fact that many of those Shinobi had trouble dealing with Zetsu clones, that isn't the case for me.

    Susano'o isn't a good technique to look for. It's been passed on by Kekkei Genkai. Hence, it's not very relevant with the debate here. The best example would be the Eight Gates. Gai can open all of them, while others cannot. But it certailny has nothing to do with genetic heritage or whatsoever. Lee can also open five gates and it's beyond what more refined, skilled shinobi can do. It's just training. But those people revived with Edo Tensei cannot do this, either. Because they do not only regain their capabilities, but also the memories of training. It's a bit like Kakashi's technique copying trick.
    In other words, you cannot regain the memory of yourself doing something you didn't in your real life.

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    Re: The Infinite Chakra on Edo Tensei mod

    Quote Originally Posted by Hakuteiken View Post
    I agree with what you said here. Muu probably wasn't able to use Jinton because it was out of reach for his limits as a human back in time. That means Muu was probably not be able to use Jinton as a divided person when he was alive, too.
    Therefore, in theory, you cannot go over your potentials with Edo Tensei. Say, if Kakashi died and then, he was to be revived with Edo Tensei, he would be able to spam Kamui, since it was something he was capable of, albeit with a usage limit. Edo Tensei impinges on that limit.
    So, technically speaking, if Nagato wasn't stopped, he would be able to use Rinnegan's abilities to such an extent that he could have destroyed a fair share of the allied forces alone. This may sound absurd, but if you consider the fact that many of those Shinobi had trouble dealing with Zetsu clones, that isn't the case for me.

    Susano'o isn't a good technique to look for. It's been passed on by Kekkei Genkai. Hence, it's not very relevant with the debate here. The best example would be the Eight Gates. Gai can open all of them, while others cannot. But it certailny has nothing to do with genetic heritage or whatsoever. Lee can also open five gates and it's beyond what more refined, skilled shinobi can do. It's just training. But those people revived with Edo Tensei cannot do this, either. Because they do not only regain their capabilities, but also the memories of training. It's a bit like Kakashi's technique copying trick.
    In other words, you cannot regain the memory of yourself doing something you didn't in your real life.

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